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MurrayM

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#154279 23-Oct-2014 09:52
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All the latest talk about dodgy flashlight apps made me check mine and I found it was on the list of possibly suspect malware.  It was about 12MB in size, which seemed kind of big for a flashlight app, and for the last few months I've noticed a lot more lag on my phone.

I've now replaced that app with a small 73K one, which works just as well, but from what I've read the previous app may have installed a rootkit or something and that might still be installed and running.

So I've decided to restore my S3 back to factory settings.  Not only as a security precaution (I don't have any real evidence that my previous flashlight app was indeed malware) but also just to give it a general clean out.

I know that after the restore I can sign back into my Google account and all my contacts appear and my previously installed apps will be downloaded.  But there are lots of stuff that won't have been backed up by Google, such as all the tweaks in my settings that got things set up just how I like them, numerous little sound files I've downloaded over the years as notifications and ringtones, etc.

My first instinct was to do a full backup via Kies (even though I hate that software as it often bombs out for me) or some other backup software, but then I wondered if this would just back up and restore any malware, making the whole operation pointless?

What do people suggest?

I'm running the stock Android 4.3 and my phone isn't rooted.  I'm quite happy with this and I'm not looking at moving to a custom ROM.

After a factory restore will my phone revert to the version of Android that it originally came with?  So I'll have to download any Android updates again?

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  #1160580 23-Oct-2014 11:47
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Just a side note - the S III has a built-in flashlight. Add the Assistive Light widget to any homescreen. Works a treat, and no need for a third-party app. :)




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  #1160588 23-Oct-2014 12:06
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NikT: Just a side note - the S III has a built-in flashlight. Add the Assistive Light widget to any homescreen. Works a treat, and no need for a third-party app. :)

Doh!

Thanks for that, I've replaced the flashlight app I had downloaded with the included widget.

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  #1160590 23-Oct-2014 12:15
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Does Titanium Backup work on non-rooted phones? You can also possibly take an image from your boot loader, maybe - can't remember.

Back up txt messages if they're important to you, I use an app called "SMS backup and restore" (or similar).

When you factory reset it will pull all your apps you've ever downloaded in, even the ones you deleted from your phone. Go into google play on the phone, hit my apps, then hit the all tab. Delete any apps you don't want. There is a way to prevent it downloading all the apps but I forget what it is - I may have just turned WiFi off.



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  #1160598 23-Oct-2014 12:37
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Titanium Backup requires root access. Helium backup does not, as it uses a feature built into ADB. Kies would be the easiest option.

Honestly, though, it's not necessary to factory reset. Android's application package management is robust, and there's not too much data a flashlight app could have had access to to mine - now it's uninstalled, it's very unlikely that it could have left anything behind. The Play Store itself has automated security measures to scan apps that have been published through it, known as Bouncer, which is worth having a read about. In order to do serious damage to a device, any malicious app would need a built-in root exploit, and the Play Store would have picked that up quicksmart. The worst you have to worry about is apps with intrusive permissions, which can do things like upload your contacts to their servers for future phishing - uninstalling the app is all you can do.




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  #1160687 23-Oct-2014 14:22
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Thanks for your thoughts guys.

The threat assessment report that I was reading can be found at http://www.snoopwall.com/threat-reports-10-01-2014/

They list 10 different flashlight apps and the permissions each one asked for.  The one that I had installed was the first one in that table, it pretty much wanted access to everything.

They also say:

Because some of the Flashlight Apps write settings and have access to your device storage, it may be to install additional backdoors or remote access Trojans (RATs), therefore you might need to reset your phone completely after an uninstall of your favorite Flashlight App. Some might even wish to go to FACTORY RESET or a WIPE.

That's why I was thinking of doing the factory restore.  I was hoping it might also restore some of the speed that I used to have on my S3.  But if you guys don't think it's necessary then I won't bother.

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  #1160690 23-Oct-2014 14:26
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Maybe you could just get a reputable virus scan app for your phone. I don't bother with them myself but you could install, scan, then uninstall.

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  #1160765 23-Oct-2014 15:24
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I've installed Malwarebytes and run a scan and it didn't find anything.  Looks like this whole thing might be a bit of a beat-up, I've found several websites saying that they "security experts" didn't provide any proof that the flashlight apps were sending data to China (or wherever), they only went on the list of permissions that each flashlight app asked for.



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  #1160792 23-Oct-2014 16:12
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That article is scaremongering & promoting their own app, I'd trust them about as much as I'd trust the flashlight apps they're condemning. My favourite line --> "The flashlight app pre-installed on the Apple iPhone appears to be safe."

The biggest malware issues on Android come from people downloading modified, pirated apps because they'd rather not pay for them - Google now asks to scan all sideloaded apps by default to monitor this sort of carry-on.

You'll be right, no need for a factory reset. :)




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  #1160794 23-Oct-2014 16:13
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NikT: That article is scaremongering & promoting their own app, I'd trust them about as much as I'd trust the flashlight apps they're condemning. My favourite line --> "The flashlight app pre-installed on the Apple iPhone appears to be safe."

The biggest malware issues on Android come from people downloading modified, pirated apps because they'd rather not pay for them - Google now asks to scan all sideloaded apps by default to monitor this sort of carry-on.

You'll be right, no need for a factory reset. :)

Thanks Nik!

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