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#254381 9-Aug-2019 18:18

I know there is an existing Note 10 owners' thread, but I like to call things as I see them ... Samsung had ads mocking Apple's lack of headphone jacks ...

And they have released a phone, removed the headphone jack, and taken down all their ads mocking Apple.

Blame Obama!

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#2293144 9-Aug-2019 18:31

Wasn't there a court case about this (thread title) about 10 years ago?

Actually I am more wondering if Samsung has decided that the Note range is more of a business device and therefore doesn't need the headphone jack anymore. Certainly the price would indicate it's a business device.

At least they didn't copy Apple for wireless charging, amoled screens, swipe keyboards, etc.

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#2293161 9-Aug-2019 19:34

Well they both copied Oppo anyway, so who cares either way?

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#2293163 9-Aug-2019 19:40

Ah did they now!

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#2293164 9-Aug-2019 19:41

Dingbatt:

At least they didn't copy Apple for wireless charging, amoled screens, swipe keyboards, etc.

Tis true!

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#2293224 9-Aug-2019 20:21

I’ve noticed that when Apple adopts a feature that’s been on Android first it’s called “copying” but when Android OEMs are blatantly ripping each other off on design cues and features no one bats an eyelid, it’s like it’s “cool” to bag Apple. I’m impartial I really enjoy both ecosystems, I don’t really understand the fuss.

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#2293247 9-Aug-2019 20:48

Dial111: I’ve noticed that when Apple adopts a feature that’s been on Android first it’s called “copying” but when Android OEMs are blatantly ripping each other off on design cues and features no one bats an eyelid, it’s like it’s “cool” to bag Apple. I’m impartial I really enjoy both ecosystems, I don’t really understand the fuss.

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#2293248 9-Aug-2019 20:55

Dingbatt:

Actually I am more wondering if Samsung has decided that the Note range is more of a business device and therefore doesn't need the headphone jack anymore. Certainly the price would indicate it's a business device.

Not sure I get the logic on that one. Headphones are pretty handy if you're on a phone/video call.

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#2293345 10-Aug-2019 06:55

lxsw20:

Dingbatt: Actually I am more wondering if Samsung has decided that the Note range is more of a business device and therefore doesn't need the headphone jack anymore. Certainly the price would indicate it's a business device.

Not sure I get the logic on that one. Headphones are pretty handy if you're on a phone/video call.

I used to think the same and have ended up with a Huawei P30 Pro which doesn't have a headphone jack. I'd previously had a Nexus 6P on which the headphone jack started failing so I brought a small bluetooth receiver off AliExpress. I plugged my headphones into this receiver and it actually turned out a lot handier not being physically tethered to the phone. With my new phone it's business as usual. Also, not having a headphone jack is one less way for water to get into the phone.

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#2293364 10-Aug-2019 08:24

lxsw20:

Dingbatt:

Actually I am more wondering if Samsung has decided that the Note range is more of a business device and therefore doesn't need the headphone jack anymore. Certainly the price would indicate it's a business device.

Not sure I get the logic on that one. Headphones are pretty handy if you're on a phone/video call.

Just from the perspective that business people are more likely to have and use Bluetooth audio rather than the popular image of a silhouette with white cords trailing down to a device that was popularised by Apple marketing some years ago. Certainly the price of the computer in your pocket with a phone attached is getting to the point where a business case needs to be provided to justify buying one.

I will be interested to see if the S11 retains the jack. I fully admit I haven't used the headphone jack in my S10, using either the galaxy buds that came with it, or my Sennheiser over-ear Bluetooth headphones.

Edit: Did you the thread title get changed?

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#2293458 10-Aug-2019 12:05

I don't know how long for but Samsung has been positioning the Note line as a productivity device, S line as more mass market. Not that it really matters, since people buy either for whatever floats their boat.

The writing is on the wall for the headphone jack really and I don't quite understand the whole "give me mah 3.5 port or give me death" sentiment. A cell phone has always been a multi function convenience device, so it makes more sense that it will end up with the more convenient option, not necessarily the better one.

I use my wired headphones at work almost everyday, but if my next phone doesn't have have it, then time for an upgrade. If you want a no compromises portable music player, there are better options out there, but they won't be a Swiss army knife of functions like a phone.

And I never have gotten the Apple v. Android thing; they are two legitimate options. You like all your devices to have a consistent experience and work like one big family, no one seems to do it better than Apple. You want more flexibility or customisation, the many flavours of Android have your back.

And really, if one comes up with a great idea and others copy it, and even sometimes do it better, the person that wins is the consumer.

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#2293510 10-Aug-2019 13:29

ShinyChrome:
And I never have gotten the Apple v. Android thing; they are two legitimate options. You like all your devices to have a consistent experience and work like one big family, no one seems to do it better than Apple. You want more flexibility or customisation, the many flavours of Android have your back.

Don't you mean "if you want more Malware, Spyware & virus's and standardly installed App's you don't want" Android have your back ??

ShinyChrome:
And really, if one comes up with a great idea and others copy it, and even sometimes do it better, the person that wins is the consumer.

Otherwise I sort of agree with your other sentiments.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2293518 10-Aug-2019 13:56

Dratsab:

With my new phone it's business as usual. Also, not having a headphone jack is one less way for water to get into the phone.

They have been able to make them waterproof for years with headphone jacks. Plus the notes have a pen slot in the side, which I imagine is more of a problem in terms of water getting in.

The problem with the removable of the headphone socket, is that it takes way the consumers choice, on something that is still widely used, as they isn't really a better alternative in terms of sound quality and convenience, than plugging in headphone. Manufacturers removing it is dictating how a phone should be used and what the consumer needs . Bixby is bad enough, and the button can't be easily remapped to google assistant, and that isn't a feature that many users of the phones want. Using a dongle isn't convenient. This is why the headphone dongle is apparently apples biggest selling product. I have always been an iphone user, but have just moved back to solely android (apart form my ipad and ipod touch), and one reason is I wanted a phone with a headphone socket. That plus the cost, is why I made the choice, and likely one of the reasons sales are down a lot, and they have dropped to 4th place. If the new model had something that looked interesting, but it looks like they are leaving the main new features and 5G until 2021. I do prefer ios and it is more slick and less prone to annoying bugs than android, and it gets supported for years longer, the initial buy cost compared to android, and the hardware on android phones overall provides a better choice for my needs IMO. Also I don't have to have a phone with a notch, which IMO was always a compromised solution for underscreen fingerprint sensors not being readily available at that time. I will stick to my ipad for ios which I use a lot, and IMO are better value than their phones for what you get.

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#2294279 11-Aug-2019 18:08

You guys should try the latest in high quality noise cancelling headphones using bluetooth. I love my Bose Quiet Comfort II headphones and I hear the Sony ones are also great.

If you have favourite headphones that are wired then you can spend NZ$20 on a dongle and leave it on the headphone lead. I don't see the lack of a headphone jack as being all that big a deal.

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#2294528 12-Aug-2019 09:02

FineWine:

Don't you mean "if you want more Malware, Spyware & virus's and standardly installed App's you don't want" Android have your back ??

Haha yeah, for the unwary that is definitely a down-side and certainly why I would recommend Apple to people that "just want things to work". On the other hand with Android, you also have the option of: a) moving to a different manufacturer's implementation, or if you are really keen to get your hands covered in bits, b) root, magisk etc and start ripping things out, or even c) flash a whole new image like LineageOS etc. I don't pretend to know a whole lot about jail-breaking iOS, but from what I have seen, it's an awful lot harder. Heck, Google made it easier with Project Treble.

Although really, as long as you choose a good OEM and don't download sketchy apps, for the most part you should be good.

mattwnz:

The problem with the removable of the headphone socket, is that it takes way the consumers choice, on something that is still widely used, as they isn't really a better alternative in terms of sound quality and convenience, than plugging in headphone. Manufacturers removing it is dictating how a phone should be used and what the consumer needs . Bixby is bad enough, and the button can't be easily remapped to google assistant, and that isn't a feature that many users of the phones want. Using a dongle isn't convenient. This is why the headphone dongle is apparently apples biggest selling product. I have always been an iphone user, but have just moved back to solely android (apart form my ipad and ipod touch), and one reason is I wanted a phone with a headphone socket. That plus the cost, is why I made the choice, and likely one of the reasons sales are down a lot, and they have dropped to 4th place. If the new model had something that looked interesting, but it looks like they are leaving the main new features and 5G until 2021. I do prefer ios and it is more slick and less prone to annoying bugs than android, and it gets supported for years longer, the initial buy cost compared to android, and the hardware on android phones overall provides a better choice for my needs IMO. Also I don't have to have a phone with a notch, which IMO was always a compromised solution for underscreen fingerprint sensors not being readily available at that time. I will stick to my ipad for ios which I use a lot, and IMO are better value than their phones for what you get.

Really though, I don't see it that a manufacturer owes anything to the consumer. Either you like what they serve up and pay money, or you don't. The fact that a lot of devices still sell well after removing the headphone jack proves that its not really a deal-breaker for a whole lot of people and manufacturers are always going to try and push the boundary on what they can get away without alienating people too much in the name of profits. For instance, the LG G/V lines are the last action hero of good audio on a mass-market phone with high quality DACs etc, but don't really sell well. Most likely because they are let down in other areas that people do care about, support, market presence etc. If there is truth to what some say about it, hell yeah, get rid of that sh1t, give me bigger batteries etc. It will be interesting to see the veracity of these claims by the likes of Jerry Rig Everything or others.

So in reality, there is still a choice, just not one without compromise. And the notch is a compromise for the front facing camera, not finger-print sensors. Which until under-screen cameras are a thing, all the different implementations (notch, slider, punch-hole etc), all have some sort of compromise. As a consumer, I'm right there with you man for that phone that does everything, but sadly in reality, it will just never happen.

Edit: Andrew kind-of forgot how "the" works

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#2294534 12-Aug-2019 09:15

Batman:

I know there is an existing Note 10 owners' thread, but I like to call things as I see them ... Samsung had ads mocking Apple's lack of headphone jacks ...

And they have released a phone, removed the headphone jack, and taken down all their ads mocking Apple.

Blame Obama!

To be fair they took those ads down 6 months ago and that's in keeping with their add cycle.

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