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Topic # 59830 13-Apr-2010 08:50
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The stock Android v2.1 lasted about 6 days on my Nexus One. 

Saturday, I unlocked the bootloader ("fastboot oem unlock") and flashed a new recovery (Amon_RA's v1.7.0). Then I flashed the latest Cyanogen Mod (v5.0.5.3).

Lovely! My Nexus One is now better than ever. Now it can be a wifi AP for the whole house when Telecom's DSL goes down and takes my Orcon out. (The non-root tethering solutions are for single PC's only....and only Windows and Mac - Just not good enough). Being able to store apps on the sdcard instead of internal storage is also a great plus. 

After unlocking the bootloader, when you power it on there is a small white 'unlocked' padlock appears under the Nexus cross. Badge of honour or mark of shame? LOL!

Anyone else tried CyanogenMod v5 on their Nexus? 




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  Reply # 317634 13-Apr-2010 09:07
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Not yet but I have installed all the tools on my PC in anticipation. As I have had my Nexus One for somewhat longer - about 5 weeks now - I have a bit of maintenance and backing up to do before doing the deed.

I figure 5 weeks of stock use gives me a good benchmark for comparing how the various modded ROMs stack up.

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  Reply # 317640 13-Apr-2010 09:21
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If you look at the Nexus one review at mobile-review it sounds like the Cyanogen Mod makes it a far, far better handset.




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  Reply # 317652 13-Apr-2010 09:52
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I sure hope you guys have the original 2.1 firmware to flash back to.  Modded firmware has some restrictions in Android Market, as well as OTA updates amongst other things.



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  Reply # 317688 13-Apr-2010 11:07
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Kiwipixter: I sure hope you guys have the original 2.1 firmware to flash back to.  Modded firmware has some restrictions in Android Market, as well as OTA updates amongst other things.


I did back up the original load. But it was after I had flashed the recovery and unlocked the bootloader. So that may make it a one way trip.

I'm not concerned about this as I have noticed the updates from Google come through *faster* on the modded ROMs than on the stock system. For example, the last update to the HTC Magic 32B was September 2009....while the modded ROMs have continued to include new patches / fixes features in the AOSP source code that have been published since then.

At the moment, it looks like the BEST support is via the Mod channel - provided you stick to the serious professional devs (like Cyanogen & partners) and avoid the kids messing with 'body parts'.

As for the Market, in my experience with dozens of ROMs from many regions (particularly on Acer Liquid) the path to 100% access seems to be via the mod channel...NOT the stock channel. It's the stock phones that can't see large chunks (or a few worthwhile apps) depending on what region they are in. The mo0dders know how to amend the system to throw the Market wide open. I've done it myself. 

Having been using modded ROMs since November and seen for myself what happens and when and from whom, my comfort level is very high. IMHO, it's the stock users who may not get the best / any support......and not see the whole market. 







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  Reply # 317707 13-Apr-2010 11:47
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Unlocking the bootloader is a one way ride - no going back after that.  How does that affect the secondary market for these devices, on Trademe for example?

Linuxluver: I did back up the original load. But it was after I had flashed the recovery and unlocked the bootloader. So that may make it a one way trip.


How do you backup the stock ROM?  I've been using Astro to backup apps and SMS's etc, but would like to be able to flash back to stock if it all turns to custard.  There are some cooked-stock ROMs available out there, but are they really stock?

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  Reply # 317718 13-Apr-2010 12:07
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I have a few queries regarding the ROM upgrades such as Cyanogen.

1. I have the Rogers (Telecom XT) version of the N1 and if i flash it with the versions of Cyanogen that are around will it screw up my 3G e.t.c. or is the radio part of the phone separate from the ROM?

2. If I 'upgrade' to a Cyanogen type ROM will all the apps i've already paid for be invalid and i'll have to buy/download them again (Namely Copilot Live 8) Or is my phone still recognised as having downloaded them and therefore can download them again?



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  Reply # 317772 13-Apr-2010 13:23
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Walt12:
How do you backup the stock ROM?  I've been using Astro to backup apps and SMS's etc, but would like to be able to flash back to stock if it all turns to custard.  There are some cooked-stock ROMs available out there, but are they really stock?


Backup and Restore are important functions included in the recovery image. You can choose Nandroid or BART.  I use Nandroid. 

The recovery I use is Amon-RA's recovery for Nexus One, v1.7.0.

Instructions are on the Cyanogenmod.com wiki.  




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  Reply # 317779 13-Apr-2010 13:28
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Disrespective: I have a few queries regarding the ROM upgrades such as Cyanogen.

1. I have the Rogers (Telecom XT) version of the N1 and if i flash it with the versions of Cyanogen that are around will it screw up my 3G e.t.c. or is the radio part of the phone separate from the ROM?
 

According to Cyanogen (Steve Kondick), the XT version of the Nexus One should work just fine. The radio isn't a part of the ROM. It's separate. 

2. If I 'upgrade' to a Cyanogen type ROM will all the apps i've already paid for be invalid and i'll have to buy/download them again (Namely Copilot Live 8) Or is my phone still recognised as having downloaded them and therefore can download them again?


The apps are tied to your gmail / google account not the phone. So any phone you login to with a given ID will see the apps bought through that ID. The only qualifier there is what market access a given ROM might have. For example, if I flash a stock EMEA GEN1 Android v1.6 ROM onto my Acer Liquid, I can't see all the apps I bought when it had a US-based ROM on it. That's fixable, but at first you wonder where your apps went. :-)  Those apps are there still for you....It's just the build.prop on the phone may have p[arameters in that change the way the market sees your phone. So you change the build.prop....and it works (sometimes it takes until after midnight).  

 




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  Reply # 317781 13-Apr-2010 13:28
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Linuxluver:
Kiwipixter: I sure hope you guys have the original 2.1 firmware to flash back to.  Modded firmware has some restrictions in Android Market, as well as OTA updates amongst other things.


I did back up the original load. But it was after I had flashed the recovery and unlocked the bootloader. So that may make it a one way trip.

I'm not concerned about this as I have noticed the updates from Google come through *faster* on the modded ROMs than on the stock system. For example, the last update to the HTC Magic 32B was September 2009....while the modded ROMs have continued to include new patches / fixes features in the AOSP source code that have been published since then.

At the moment, it looks like the BEST support is via the Mod channel - provided you stick to the serious professional devs (like Cyanogen & partners) and avoid the kids messing with 'body parts'.

As for the Market, in my experience with dozens of ROMs from many regions (particularly on Acer Liquid) the path to 100% access seems to be via the mod channel...NOT the stock channel. It's the stock phones that can't see large chunks (or a few worthwhile apps) depending on what region they are in. The mo0dders know how to amend the system to throw the Market wide open. I've done it myself. 

Having been using modded ROMs since November and seen for myself what happens and when and from whom, my comfort level is very high. IMHO, it's the stock users who may not get the best / any support......and not see the whole market. 


I am using project GAOSP beta, http://code.google.com/p/gaosp/, Eclair 2.1 on a Samsung i7500.  Access to Market is not 100% unfortunately, secure apps are not visible.  Agree with you that there are plenty of updates available from mod community before the OEM.
 



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  Reply # 317842 13-Apr-2010 14:24
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I am using project GAOSP beta, http://code.google.com/p/gaosp/, Eclair 2.1 on a Samsung i7500.  Access to Market is not 100% unfortunately, secure apps are not visible.  Agree with you that there are plenty of updates available from mod community before the OEM.
 


Have you tried the market Enabler app?

(It's not in the market!).  :-)  

Also.....there are a couple of statements in the build.prop that affect market access. If you put values in there for a phone / region that has 100% access then your phone usually will too...though it may take until after "midnight" somewhere to kick in.  Then the apps suddenly appear in searches where they weren't visible before. 

Or....get someone with apps2sd to copy the apks out of their ext partition, but that would be piracy for any paid apps. 
 




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  Reply # 317878 13-Apr-2010 15:37
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Linuxluver: Also.....there are a couple of statements in the build.prop that affect market access. If you put values in there for a phone / region that has 100% access then your phone usually will too...though it may take until after "midnight" somewhere to kick in.  Then the apps suddenly appear in searches where they weren't visible before.  


Where do you edit the build.prop?

And I assume that the region you want for 100% access is US?  Wouldn't the Cyanogen ROM automatically come with this type of access?

Have you tried flashing the radio yet?  Any plans to do so?

Sorry about all the questions, just want to make sure I have it all squared away before I dive in for the first time.



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  Reply # 317884 13-Apr-2010 15:50
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walt12:
Linuxluver: Also.....there are a couple of statements in the build.prop that affect market access. If you put values in there for a phone / region that has 100% access then your phone usually will too...though it may take until after "midnight" somewhere to kick in.  Then the apps suddenly appear in searches where they weren't visible before.  


Where do you edit the build.prop?

And I assume that the region you want for 100% access is US?  Wouldn't the Cyanogen ROM automatically come with this type of access?

Have you tried flashing the radio yet?  Any plans to do so?

Sorry about all the questions, just want to make sure I have it all squared away before I dive in for the first time.


You're right. If you're flashing Cyanogen Mod you won't have any Market issues. It's all sorted. 

As for radio, I have the radio I got in the first update to stock. It came in within an hour of turning the phone on. I won't be flashing radio on my Nexus One to anything else unless it is explicitly required and the need made clear and understandable. It has not been required.






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  Reply # 317901 13-Apr-2010 16:27
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Linuxluver:
 
I am using project GAOSP beta, http://code.google.com/p/gaosp/, Eclair 2.1 on a Samsung i7500.  Access to Market is not 100% unfortunately, secure apps are not visible.  Agree with you that there are plenty of updates available from mod community before the OEM.
 


Have you tried the market Enabler app?

(It's not in the market!).  :-)  

Also.....there are a couple of statements in the build.prop that affect market access. If you put values in there for a phone / region that has 100% access then your phone usually will too...though it may take until after "midnight" somewhere to kick in.  Then the apps suddenly appear in searches where they weren't visible before. 

Or....get someone with apps2sd to copy the apks out of their ext partition, but that would be piracy for any paid apps. 
 


Thanks, i will have a look. Where do i find build.prop info? 



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walt12: Unlocking the bootloader is a one way ride - no going back after that.  How does that affect the secondary market for these devices, on Trademe for example?


I have a phone on TradeMe right now. The last phone I sold, I didn't mention it had been rooted. This phone (HTC Magic) I'm explicitly offering it as either stock or pre-rooted with the latest Amon_RA recovery and Cyanogen Mod ROM installed.

It does not appear to have hurt the re-sale value.

There appear to be people who would love to buy the phone pre-rooted with all the custom recovery convenience already there. That gets them over the hump of worrying about how it's all done. It's been done for them. 

From what I can see, it may even add value to the phone. Bidding is at $300 with a week to run and a buy-now of $425. 

For the Nexus One, anyone who currently owns one who bought it direct from Google can't seriously be worried about their warranty. How on earth would you ever make a claim? 

I left mine stock for several days of constant use. If a device is going to fail it usually does so fairly quickly. 

My other Nexus One isn't rooted. I haven't even used it. It's been powered on to make sure it works and the batteries have been charged....then I put it back in the box. I'll be selling that one first so I'll let you know how it goes. 





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Im running Modaco's Desire port R21. Its fantastic. Super stable. The only thing that is not working is the bluetooth properly but I can live with that for a while until they sort it.

My N1 I dont think lasted even a couple days, I desperatly wanted better exchange sync and the desire port sorted that, does contacts, mail and calendar. Just not tasks which I have worked around with Rememer the Milk and Astrid.

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