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Topic # 66692 21-Aug-2010 22:36
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After a couple of years with Android phones I've made the decision to go to iphone, never thought I would..

I am just going to give my reasons. 

I have owned a nexus, a milestone and currently a samsung galaxy s.  I avoided apple like the plague, mainly because I liked that androd was open and let you do what you wanted with the phones. 
All the android phones have had their flaws.. The nexus, touchscreen issues, accuracy, no real multitouch, the amoled screen was pretty nice but outside during summer... unuseable... the glare was just too much... nexus was so close to being the super phone but let down in those major areas.

Galaxy S.... The next superphone.... 1ghz hummingbird CPU, with a very fast GPU.. 3-4x faster than the iphone 4's...  Super Amoled Screen at 4 inches..

The screen is nice, no doubt about it, vast improvement over the nexus. The extra size is welcome also.
Unfortunately issues with the phone.  Lag, delays like I have never seen on other android phones, forums covered in different fixes for the lag and apparently its down to either Samsung being cheap and using slow internal storage or using their own filesystem that is very slow or a combo of both.
Camera is weak, tiny lens, tiny sensor, no flash = blurry photos generally unless outisde with loads of light.
GPS is flakey, forums again are loaded with people complaining about the GPS.
Samsung have promised GPS fixes for september but the phone has been out for months.. surprising its taking this long to get a fix out.. even the many leaked firmwares dont take care of it but you can see plenty of tinkering with the GPS settings in them.  A worry that it could be a hardware issue...

Then there is Android itself..
A fine OS it is, the openess in my mind is far better then apples system.  You dont like the keyboard? install a new one.... you don;t like the ROM get a custom one etc etc..  lets face it.. its geek heaven.

The problem is with software I have found.
I wanted a good gps program.. it just doesnt exist on android.
google navigation not available in NZ, yes there is a hack.. but its not 100%, and even google nav has to use data non stop.
Copilot.. it looked good to start with but there are major problems with the maps.. you have to enter a city to go for a destination.. but somehow for the entire north shore of auckland, the cities are actually the suberbs.. so you have to know the exact suberb for the road you want to go to.. i have no idea most of the time..
No tomtom, and let me tell you, tomtom is awesome on the iphone.

No skype...  a major program used out there but not on android....fring was the closest thing.. but its gone now.. at least for android.. and then there is just the abundance of high quality software for iphone by big developers.

Jailbreak an iphone and you have a pretty good phone..

The iphone 4 has a pretty stunning screen, the resolution ties it with the samoled screen of the galaxy.. maybe even better... when we get the higher res screens on samoled no going back to lcd.. but the higher resolution was a good step for them.


Now this probably comes over as antiandroid and maybe it is but its more that I am disappointed with what should have been.. and actually its not a fault of android its a fault of the manufacturers and of the developers..
The manufacturers seem to be putting out phones that arent that great.. and developers just arent treating android that seriously..
Google say that they have shipped like 160-200k phones per month recently..
It seems stunning then that developers just arent getting in on android... where is skype, where is tomtom,navigon etc etc, where are the game makers like popcap etc...

Even the games that come over are often missing features etc that the iphone versions have..
I just cant understand why android is being so ignored...

Anyway, my wife who has the iphone 4.. after using it.. and seeing all the apps... and with it jailbreaked.. its really hard to find a reason to stay with android currently.. given that I just dont see a decent handset out there right now.. and that the software is really behind..



Anyway these are just opinions....

It was also a big decision because I actually paid for a lot of apps on android.. and spent money on forums that support android.. I made a big decision to always buy the apps on android because I had read many developers were shying away because of "piracy issues" on android.... I always wanted to do my part to encourage developers to stick with android at least....  At least I know when I return my account is there with the apps I bought..

and.. I do hope to be back when a really good handset comes out.. and the software issue is better.

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  Reply # 370831 21-Aug-2010 22:51
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Good luck.




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  Reply # 370835 21-Aug-2010 22:56
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Linuxluver: Walled Garden.

Bye.


for the majority out there, it's actually a good thing.




Do whatever you want to do man.

  

 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 370837 21-Aug-2010 22:58
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Linuxluver: Walled Garden.

Bye.


Well I'll still bere here cause I like Android as an OS   :) but I  am curious if others share my opinion too maybe not to the extent of moving away from it but just the frustrations of the software side etc ...and also if others are thinking of making the move to android that they can read my opinions..
I am sure others are frustrated at the same things as I am on android..


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  Reply # 370840 21-Aug-2010 23:10
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billgates:
Linuxluver: Walled Garden.

Bye.


for the majority out there, it's actually a good thing.


Sure.

Most Germans voted for Hitler in the last election he allowed.
Most American voters voted for G W Bush in 2004.
Most people believe in God.
Most people are happy to be dictated to.

I'm not very good at being most people. I know too much. :-)




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  Reply # 370845 21-Aug-2010 23:17
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Linuxluver:
billgates:
Linuxluver: Walled Garden.

Bye.


for the majority out there, it's actually a good thing.


Sure.

Most Germans voted for Hitler in the last election he allowed.
Most American voters voted for G W Bush in 2004.
Most people believe in God.
Most people are happy to be dictated to.

I'm not very good at being most people. I know too much. :-)


When one has to hack his way through software or hardware to make something work, then it's obviously an unfinished or poorly designed product. My 2 main problems with android is fragmentation and UI (never liked any except may be touchwhiz 2.0)

e.g Sony Xperia X10 shipped with V1.6. Joe Bloggs does not knows what 'root' is because he is not a geek unlike us and geeks are the minority and this is why iphone sells.




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  Reply # 370851 21-Aug-2010 23:48
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That's my main issue, the fragmented updating system, i.e, it's up to individual phone manufacturers to release the ROMs. I wish it was google :/ IMHO, every phone should come rooted :P

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  Reply # 370870 22-Aug-2010 01:05
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I agree in some cases. It wouldn't make me turn to the iPhone though. There are shortfalls, and Android is still maturing. Froyo is leaps and bounds ahead of what android originally was, but its still got a way to go.
Yes google should be doing the main updates, i agree. Hopefully they implement this.
And im surprised tomtom still hasnt produced an android app, and iGo is so badly made (doesnt work on all resolutions)



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  Reply # 370886 22-Aug-2010 06:05
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Definitely agree that google need to take over rolling the updates out to phones.
The way it is now is bad and making android look bad.
Some carriers or companies stall for ages in bringing updates or just never will.
People walk away frustrated and android gets a bad name.

I really would love to know why so many big developers are keeping away from android still though, the numbers of users must be pretty high by now.

Is it because its a difficult platform to develop on? lack of tools etc?

Is it because they just don't see it as profitable enough?
I know some developers had concerns about the trial in the market, that basically people with rooted phones just trialled anything then cancelled and they could make a "backup" etc before getting their refund from the market.
I don't buy that though really, just as easy to get stuff on the iphone if you want to without paying. Though of course apple make every effort to patch exploits etc, whereas many android phones are made to be rooted.

Fragmentation?

But yeah the killers for me would definitely be the lack of a few key pieces of software for myself at least.
The GPS apps on android just aren't up to it. I wonder if google navigation was actually a good idea... Did google just release it to try and fill the gap? Have they scared away the big players like tomtom ?

Skype is pretty massive, a hard app to ignore why they are mucking around with android I have no idea yet again.

Then its just the hardware, I think too many of the android phones coming out are a bit rushed because of the mad competition in the android camp.
Of course Apple even with their one year cycle still managed to make a blunder with their new phone too.

Anyway, hopefully these things will be taken care of in the near future.


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  Reply # 370890 22-Aug-2010 07:48
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Well if rumours are correct about Android 3.0, there won't be any custom user interfaces which delay Android releases by carriers and manufacturers. Although there are even cons to this approach as some of the UI's are ok. I've heard conflicting news about whether Google will enforce this.

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  Reply # 370898 22-Aug-2010 09:07
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billgates: 
When one has to hack his way through software or hardware to make something work, then it's obviously an unfinished or poorly designed product. My 2 main problems with android is fragmentation and UI (never liked any except may be touchwhiz 2.0)

e.g Sony Xperia X10 shipped with V1.6. Joe Bloggs does not knows what 'root' is because he is not a geek unlike us and geeks are the minority and this is why iphone sells.


The OP has to jailbreak his iPhone to like it......so it must be poorly designed, too. 

I find the iPhone is lacking in controls. There have been unfortunate compromises made in the GUI (the annoying magnifying glass thing you can't see because your finger is on top if it, for example) as a result.

As for appearances....My phone looks very nice...and no need to hack it.  

I know these discussions are soewhat pointless as Apple fans love their dictatorship and happily give their freedom away - and even try to make a virtue of it. Any other problems, gaps or epic fails (how 'bout that antenna!) are glossed over.....

Pretty phone!  




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androidmnz: Well if rumours are correct about Android 3.0, there won't be any custom user interfaces which delay Android releases by carriers and manufacturers. Although there are even cons to this approach as some of the UI's are ok. I've heard conflicting news about whether Google will enforce this.


y understanding was the trend, begun by Android v2.2, was to separate the OS from the UI's...to make it easier to "skin" Android...and maintain the skins.

If Google want to create a kick-ass UI as the default UI, great. 
 




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eXDee: I agree in some cases. It wouldn't make me turn to the iPhone though. There are shortfalls, and Android is still maturing. Froyo is leaps and bounds ahead of what android originally was, but its still got a way to go.
Yes google should be doing the main updates, i agree. Hopefully they implement this.
And im surprised tomtom still hasnt produced an android app, and iGo is so badly made (doesnt work on all resolutions)


The GPS makers will be resisting the move to becoming just another app on a phone. They have their own hardware that they control......and if it were me, I'd be dragging my heels on giving up that opportunity to differentiate from my competitors.

That said.....the pressure to make it just another phone app will prove - ultimately - to be irresistible.  




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  Reply # 370903 22-Aug-2010 09:14
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Linuxluver: Good luck.


I didnt like my first answer. It would have been better to not answer at all when people do these 'swan dive' posts. I know better.   




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  Reply # 370908 22-Aug-2010 09:24
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Linuxluver:
eXDee: I agree in some cases. It wouldn't make me turn to the iPhone though. There are shortfalls, and Android is still maturing. Froyo is leaps and bounds ahead of what android originally was, but its still got a way to go.
Yes google should be doing the main updates, i agree. Hopefully they implement this.
And im surprised tomtom still hasnt produced an android app, and iGo is so badly made (doesnt work on all resolutions)


The GPS makers will be resisting the move to becoming just another app on a phone. They have their own hardware that they control......and if it were me, I'd be dragging my heels on giving up that opportunity to differentiate from my competitors.

That said.....the pressure to make it just another phone app will prove - ultimately - to be irresistible.  


Yeah but they are already on the iphone  and have been for some time.  The GPS apps on the iphone are pretty high quality.  If you search on google tomtom said they were going to work on an android version way back at the start of 2009.. now they don't comment on it.  I assume it will come one day but no idea why they are taking so long.



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Linuxluver:
Linuxluver: Good luck.


I didnt like my first answer. It would have been better to not answer at all when people do these 'swan dive' posts. I know better.   


Nothing wrong with a good discussion is there?  Each OS has their good and bad points and their good and bad phones etc.  I think people get a bit too emotional and attached to their phones sometimes and get a bit defensive if anyone says anything slightly bad about them.. they are just phones and they all have their issues.. I just pointed out a couple that I had nothing more.  Was just interested if people had issues with the software on android and was also wondering if anyone actually knew why the developers aren't yet engaging android.  

I reckon once gingerbread is out and google take over the rolling out of new versions etc and its not up to carriers/phone makers then its going to be a massive step up.
Get some more polished phones running android which is inevitable.
Then its just getting the developers over to it more.

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