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Topic # 86235 4-Jul-2011 12:43
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That's an even better result than the original Samsung Galaxy S. I wonder how many it would have sold had it been available in the US?

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  Reply # 489130 4-Jul-2011 12:47
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Would have sold 6Mil if it had been a couple of hundred cheaper..




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  Reply # 489195 4-Jul-2011 15:05
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Nothing is ever cheap enough but compared to other offerings the price is realistic, I am glad I went down the SGS2 route, it seems to have become the unofficial android (arguably smartphone) benchmark handset

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  Reply # 489303 4-Jul-2011 18:43
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The finance committee said I could buy one for my birthday in sept but the way things are going it may be a SGS3




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  Reply # 489328 4-Jul-2011 19:52
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While it's an impressive number it's worth putting things in some perspective - people may think Nokia is dead but the N8 managed to ship 4 million units by the end of 2010 from an October launch based upon a number of reports.

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  Reply # 489345 4-Jul-2011 20:51
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While it's an impressive number it's worth putting things in some perspective - people may think Nokia is dead but the N8 managed to ship 4 million units by the end of 2010 from an October launch based upon a number of reports.


I notice a lot of companies publicise the amount of stock they "ship" which has no bearing on how much stock was actually sold to a consumer. Not sure if Nokia does this though.



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  Reply # 489364 4-Jul-2011 21:14
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caldazar:

I notice a lot of companies publicise the amount of stock they "ship" which has no bearing on how much stock was actually sold to a consumer. Not sure if Nokia does this though.


:D

I think that might be exaggerating things somewhat. No bearing? You have some link that proves this perhaps? I'd be keen to see the "no bearing" evidence.

Perhaps you meant that the units shipped don't always equal the exact numbers sold to the consumer, but that's true of any consumer goods  - you make 'em, you ship 'em then the consumer buys 'em. That's how it works.

What's true is if you don't ship 'em, the consumer surely can't buy 'em. :-)

Nokia's sales of smartphones increased in the year to date, so I don't see a reason to doubt that the N8 sold in significant numbers. Probably not at the rate of the SGS2 that prompted this thread, but if they're being shipped, it generally means there're buyers buying them at the other end. Distributors must be ordering them if they're being shipped, and consumers must be buying them if the retailers are ordering them from their distributors.

Otherwise the shipping would simply halt, surely? And the manufacturing?




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  Reply # 489367 4-Jul-2011 21:16
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old3eyes: Would have sold 6Mil if it had been a couple of hundred cheaper..


What a pointless statement, If it had been a couple hundred cheaper they would not of sold the device at a profit and a good chance gone bust, Don't you know how a business works?

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  Reply # 489435 4-Jul-2011 22:54
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Perhaps you meant that the units shipped don't always equal the exact numbers sold to the consumer, but that's true of any consumer goods - you make 'em, you ship 'em then the consumer buys 'em. That's how it works.

What's true is if you don't ship 'em, the consumer surely can't buy 'em. :-)


Alright, my wording was off. I agree that if you don't ship them, you can't buy.

Whether those units are actually sold early on to consumers (not shipped) is really of importance to developers looking at new devices / markets.


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  Reply # 489440 4-Jul-2011 23:00
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Here is an example on the shipped vs sold:

http://worthplaying.com/article/2010/11/30/editorials/78555/

It happens all the time. It's a marketing thing. Developers prefer to know that a device is in the consumers hands. Not on a shelf.




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caldazar: Here is an example on the shipped vs sold:

http://worthplaying.com/article/2010/11/30/editorials/78555/

It happens all the time. It's a marketing thing. Developers prefer to know that a device is in the consumers hands. Not on a shelf.



I asked for some evidence of the disparity you claim but the link is to an opinion piece that asks the question but delivers no answers. It's an example of the writer's assumptions, and even he admits he doesn't know the difference between "shipped" and "sold" numbers if there's even any at all.

If Microsoft did in fact report consumer uptake instead of numbers in the channel, it's because they could. But for most CE, the only measure they truly have is the numbers in the channel because they don't have access to the retail numbers. So it's hard to criticise them for using the numbers they actually have, to trumpet their products' success.

Your link's author is correct in his opinion that they're not necessarily the same. But he doesn't offer any evidence that they're necessarily different either. Even Apple, which controls much of the retail of its products as well as manufacture and distruibution, uses channel figures in its reporting of units sold. Apple are in the fortunate position of having a better idea of the consumer uptake than most, but even they're not privy to the commercially sensitive information of their retail and carrier partners until those figures are made available in their financial filings.

There may be a difference between the channel numbers and the retail numbers, but you have yet to provide any evidence that it's real and not just a meme to discredit the performance of a particular product or company.






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  Reply # 489487 5-Jul-2011 08:45
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old3eyes: Would have sold 6Mil if it had been a couple of hundred cheaper..



What a pointless statement, If it had been a couple hundred cheaper they would not of sold the device at a profit and a good chance gone bust, Don't you know how a business works?


Not really.  Compared to the pricing of the SGS1  it is quite allot dearer..  Especially if you buy it from Vodafone @ $1200




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  Reply # 489641 5-Jul-2011 13:13
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Coupled with the release subsidy the SGS2 was a bargain, i got $500 subsidy on a Smart2 plan which i had to sign up to regardless so getting a VFNZ endorsed local market phone for $700 was a bargain :D



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Further evidence for the growth of Android, comScore's figures are in for their latest quarterly report.

In the US, Android's share of the smartphone market has increased by 5.1%, 3.6 x the growth of its nearest rival. So for the moment at least, there doesn't seem to be any evidence of slackening demand for smartphones powered by Google's increasingly ubiquitous operating system.

Samsung remain top dog in handset sales with 24.8% of the US market, LG runner up with 21.1%, Motorola 15.1%, Apple at 8.7% and fifth was RIM with 8.1%. Note that there is no breakout for smartphone vs featurephone in those handset figures so if you have a beef with them, yell at comScore, not me. OK?

That is all. Back to what you were doing. :-)




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Canaccord Genuity have weighed in with some Android growth figures and I am fated to pass them on for the interested among us. The numbers below represent market share, which is based on new units sold, not the total number in circulation:

'08 - 0.6%
'09 - 6.8%
'10 - 22.6%
'11 - 42.0%*

*Canaccord's estimate for the entire fiscal 2011 year based on the quarterly numbers so far

Based on the current trend, Canaccord are predicting that by the end of 2012 Android will have 50% of the smartphone market.

The leading handset maker remains Nokia with Samsung poised to overtake them this financial year.





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