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Topic # 74508 1-Jan-2011 00:10 Send private message

Here are the things I would like to government to require isps and others to provide:

1)If isps want to slow down a user's internet connection once he/she reaches his/her data cap, the lowest speed an isp should be legally able to slow a connection down to should be 128kbps. Currently users are slowed to anywhere between 30kbps to 64kbps, so some of these speeds are slower than dial up internet.

2)National traffic should not be counted towards a user's internet usage, so the data cap should only apply to international traffic.

3)All isps should be required to peer with each other.

4)No isp should be able to block any website for any reason. The law already allows people to be prosecuted for illegal content on a website and the law already allows for illegal websites to be shut down.

5)No isp or wireless carrier should be able to limit the speed of any protocol like bittorrent,p2p,voip, etc.

6)No isp should be able to block any ports,like port 25,etc.

7)Broadband should be defined by law as 128kbps so isps should only be able to call a product broadband if it offers the minimum speed of 128kbps.

8)All landline isps should have to continue to have equipment available to offer all their customers dial up internet until at least 2020 because many areas still do not have broadband and some isps may decide to get rid of their equipment that allows them to offer dial up internet.

9)Dial up internet should be defined by law as 56kbps so isps should only be able to call a product dial up if it offers the minimum speed of 56kbps.

10)If more than 5 households are on the waiting list for a port to connect to broadband to become available at the telephone exchange then a roadside cabinate should be installed in the area within 1 year.

11)All wireless carriers like Telecom, Vodafone, etc should not be able to charge more than 10 cents for a text message/mms(picture message) to any wireless national network and they should not be able to charge more than $1 a minute to call any wireless national network. Landline telcos already have to provide free local calling and I realise wireless carriers need to spend more money maintaining their networks, so I think a maximum price for text messages is reasonable.

12)Wireless carriers should never be able to charge people to receive an incoming call, text, or picture message.

13)Wireless carriers should not be able to charge more than 5 cents for 1Megabyte of downloaded/uploaded data.

14)All broadband isps should have to provide both fixed cost broadband and un-fixed cost broadband plans.

15)Landline broadband isps should not be allowed to charge more than $2 per Gigabyte of excess data after a person reaches his/her data cap.

What submissions is everyone else going to make? You can make submissions here:

http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/SC/MakeSub/e/7/2/49SCFE_SCF_00DBHOH_BILL10470_1-Telecommunications-TSO-Broadband-and.htm

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  Reply # 423102 1-Jan-2011 00:47 Send private message

1) Most ISP's don't throttle speeds. At 128kbps you could still use GB's of additional data per month.

2) There are ISP's and plans that offer free national data. I hope you're willing to pay more money for it.

8) Dialup will we well gone by 2020 and serves no purpose in a NGN world.

9) 56kbps is a maximum speed for V.92bis. You can't impose that as a minimum speed.

10) You need to understand the difference between exchanges and cabinets in the FTTN world.

11) The Commerce Commission have no power to dictate retail pricing of products in New Zealand. To do so would have masive implications across the entire retail sector in New Zealand.

14) Why should ISP's have to provide flat rate plans? You've just said you're opposed to any form of traffic management and want faster capped speeds. You can't have it all.

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  Reply # 423113 1-Jan-2011 02:37 Send private message

9) I believe that 56k is not possible in NZ for technical reasons and that the highest connect rate is 53.6. What if you get 48k 45k 43k 38k? That is due to line conditions in your home more than likely. What if you get 42k? You probably have a fax machine or other device adding noise. You cannot regulate connect rates due to these factors, as is distance.

2) You would be surprised how little traffic is national.

4) For those ISPs that subscribe to DIA Filtering that stops 7000 child porn sites being accessed. I am sure many have no issues with that. I doubt that ISP's block other websites. If they do that will be in their T&C's

5) If an ISP limits speeds to certain functions they will have that in their T&C. You can choose or unchoose if that is not suitable for you

6) If an ISP blocks ports that is I am sure disclosed. Telecom, where I work, blocks Port 25 unless this is used for your Xtra mail server settings. This is to combat spam sending which is to the security benefit of Telecom and thus its users. You can opt out of that and we have processes to verify your Non Xtra server. Again this is solely for spam sender security.

If your suggestions, all or part were introduced, you would pay extra?

I know that your suggestions are genuine, but life is so much more complex Tom Brown. Note also that the above are my personal comments not those of my employer except Port 25 filtering.

A good thread though, TC

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  Reply # 423124 1-Jan-2011 07:55 Send private message

tombrownzz:

2)National traffic should not be counted towards a user's internet usage, so the data cap should only apply to international traffic.


I hope you have also submitted the formula that will magically make the costs of national traffic disappear from the ISPs' investment sheets?

tombrownzz:

4)No isp should be able to block any website for any reason. The law already allows people to be prosecuted for illegal content on a website and the law already allows for illegal websites to be shut down.


Not advocating filtering (which I don't like), but which law are you talking about? You realise a New Zealand court cannot order illegal websites hosted in another country to be shutdown, don't you?
 
tombrownzz:

7)Broadband should be defined by law as 128kbps so isps should only be able to call a product broadband if it offers the minimum speed of 128kbps.


You are late to the party. IIRC no ISP offers 128Kbps service anymore. 

tombrownzz:

11)All wireless carriers like Telecom, Vodafone, etc should not be able to charge more than 10 cents for a text message/mms(picture message) to any wireless national network and they should not be able to charge more than $1 a minute to call any wireless national network. Landline telcos already have to provide free local calling and I realise wireless carriers need to spend more money maintaining their networks, so I think a maximum price for text messages is reasonable.


You also realise the "free local calling" is not free, but unmetered? Why do you think a landline is expensive? Because the "free local calling" cost is built into the price. If you want a plan without "free local calling" you can pay per minute of local calls, and the landline is cheaper.

tombrownzz:

13)Wireless carriers should not be able to charge more than 5 cents for 1Megabyte of downloaded/uploaded data.


You are not a free market believer, are you?

tombrownzz:
14)All broadband isps should have to provide both fixed cost broadband and un-fixed cost broadband plans.


[sarcasm] I think it's a great idea. Let's image the thinking of an ISP manager: "Let's make a fxed cost plan. Since we can't charge the actual cost plus our margin, let's then limit the amount of megabytes users can download" [/sarcasm].

Oh, wait... That's what ISPs are doing already. so your suggestion won't change anything really.

In summary, I think you are not considering

a) costs
b) management
c) support
d) development






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  Reply # 423132 1-Jan-2011 09:18 Send private message

I was going to reply, merely, "Wow," but Mauricio seems to have it covered, so I'll simply add.

16) all ISPs shall be required to register as a charity, and a special internet tax shall be raised to cover the shortfall between donations and actual costs




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  Reply # 423135 1-Jan-2011 10:23 Send private message

Tom do you want to send every ISP and wireless provider broke?




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  Reply # 423147 1-Jan-2011 12:21 Send private message

SaltyNZ: I was going to reply, merely, "Wow," but Mauricio seems to have it covered, so I'll simply add.

16) all ISPs shall be required to register as a charity, and a special internet tax shall be raised to cover the shortfall between donations and actual costs


This covers it nicely...

Personally I don't have a problem with the Internet in NZ...

BUT DON'T GET  ME STARTED ON PETROL...

I propose that the government legislates that Petrol can never cost more than $0.20 a litre and stations must all accept monopoly money or in the case of those over 50, home-made meatballs or muffins.

Seriously, this is a crazy list of suggestions - if it wasn't so long I'd have presumed it was a troll *

Cheers - N

(* - It may still be a troll)

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  Reply # 423161 1-Jan-2011 13:26 Send private message

4): There's already that DIA filter that blocks websites.
6) ISPs block some incoming ports like windows file sharing/etc because of worms (which is a good idea. If you want it enabled you should have to contact your ISP to get them enabled)

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  Reply # 423174 1-Jan-2011 14:40 Send private message

ah this thread is pure comedy :) thanks





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  Reply # 423186 1-Jan-2011 15:51 Send private message

Talkiet:
Seriously, this is a crazy list of suggestions - if it wasn't so long I'd have presumed it was a troll *

Cheers - N

(* - It may still be a troll)


It's a damn good troll. It stays far enough just on the sane side of the line that even I admit clicking the Compose Reply button before taking a deep breath. :-D




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  Reply # 423199 1-Jan-2011 17:03 Send private message

Actually it goes to show how little Joe Public understands the commercial and technical realities of the Telco world, sorry Tombrown and don't want to be rude here but this is a fantasy wish list with no real understanding of the Telco environment, costs, regulation and operational requirements.




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  Reply # 423202 1-Jan-2011 17:20 Send private message

[Actually it goes to show how little Joe Public understands the commercial and technical realities of the Telco world ]



Yes, those who work on, or with ISP Helpdesks already know that.

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  Reply # 423468 2-Jan-2011 19:02 Send private message

Also, all ISPs should courier me some donuts from Dunkin' Donuts.. the really  nice ones. Every day. Whether I am a customer or not. 

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  Reply # 423469 2-Jan-2011 19:05 Send private message

snnet: Also, all ISPs should courier me some donuts from Dunkin' Donuts.. the really  nice ones. Every day. Whether I am a customer or not. 


OK, this thread is getting silly now.

Not everyone likes donuts.

Cheers - N :-)

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  Reply # 423470 2-Jan-2011 19:10 Send private message

Talkiet:
snnet: Also, all ISPs should courier me some donuts from Dunkin' Donuts.. the really  nice ones. Every day. Whether I am a customer or not. 


OK, this thread is getting silly now.

Not everyone likes donuts.

Cheers - N :-)


Haha well I'm glad you could see I was trolling..At least I hope you could see I was trolling!  

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  Reply # 424272 5-Jan-2011 14:25 Send private message

17) All mobile providers should be required to offer free wifi hotspots on every cellsite for users that dont want to pay for 3G usage.

Well I think there is a point about mobile to mobile charges, which should apply for the excessive landline to mobile charges. ComCom should have extended their investigation to look at margins charged to landline consumers as well as the handover costs.

BTW: dialup can go much slower than 30k so it will be a game changer to get wireless coverage in some of the rural areas that have 10km phone lines...




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