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21brandon21

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#115964 13-Apr-2013 16:48

I was just curious as to why there is a delay on shows coming to New Zealand? Right now they're showing the 5th Season of Sons of Anarchy, it was aired in the USA in September 2012, American Horror Story was finished with Season 2 when they just showed Season 1 here. And I doubt we will be getting Season 2. A good thing was the 3 day delay in The Walking Dead. We were actually in line with the USA. But other than that we are pretty behind on MOST shows.

Also with ESPN. Why is there a lack there of NBA Games? It's pretty surprising at the weak content we get on SKY. I'm paying over $100 a month for SKY(For family). Yet the Content is real weak and we get real delays.

Pls bring ALL NBA Games SKY!

Will this be fixed anytime soon? I heard we might be getting Hulu or Netflix soon in New Zealand and Murdoch might be bringing it here soon. SKY is expensive and has pretty bad content.

Here's to hoping that content will be fixed soon and be set at a reasonable price. I wouldn't mind this price point (Although it would be nice if it went down) if the quality was up there.

My opinion is that if Hulu/Netflix do come here with FULL Content and a good price point, many thousands will close their SKY Subscriptions and go on over.

/Rant

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#798849 13-Apr-2013 17:21

I think it is a case of the Americian networks dictating when the series can be aired on overseas networks rather than the NZ broadcasters delaying things.

Slowly they are figuring out that they need to make the programs air much closer to the air time in the USA, for example some of the new eposides of the simpsons and the americians are airing here with in a few days of the USA.

If you really want to see a particular tv show within a few hours of it airing in the USA there are plenty of web sites that host the torrents.

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#798850 13-Apr-2013 17:21

And that is why there is Unblock us + netflix/hulu ;)

But back to your question: I wonder this too

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#798856 13-Apr-2013 17:40

because we only get ESPN Australia and most of the US sports are shown on ESPN 2 in Australia which we dont get, so we tend to get The champions league football and a mixture of sport. Hopefully Sky is looking at ESPN 2

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#798859 13-Apr-2013 17:46

For most things tech or entertainment we are equivalent to a rounding error for suppliers. We get what we get when they get to it.

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#798868 13-Apr-2013 18:16

KiwiNZ: For most things tech or entertainment we are equivalent to a rounding error for suppliers. We get what we get when they get to it.

This is why my conscience is clear when it comes to circumventing their restrictions. If they won't supply it to me in at least a reasonable time frame then don't come crying to me about lost profit.

jesterz

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#798869 13-Apr-2013 18:16

Things seem to be improving for some shows. Game of Thrones and Dr Who have effectively both had a worldwide release, which has included NZ just a smidgen behind.

I think studios / producers are really starting to understand that a global release reduces the risk of piracy - depending on how the show is delivered in other markets, of course. I hope that one day that we'll get simultaneous release across a range of formats (cinema, TV, online) to provide real consumer choice ...

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#798884 13-Apr-2013 18:44

It's all dollar driven.

We used to have a cozy little broadcasting oligopoly. They could show us what they wanted when they wanted, and delaying purchase/screening of popular series for 6-12 months meant that their licensing costs were lower while their revenue from advertising etc was essentially the same, because we still watched. We more or less had to put up with this, because we had no options.

Technology has changed the game. As well as the FTA networks Sky has a lot of channels and has to be more concerned about what viewers want (viewers are the primary customers for Sky, for FTA viewers (eyeballs) are the product and advertisers are the customers). There are also a lot more other legal (eg parallel DVD imports, Itunes), semi-legal (eg a VPN and Netflix/Hulu) and illegal (eg torrents) options out there. The captive market - I can still remember when when 75% of the country watched TV One each night because that was pretty much all there was - is fading. Plus we have the net - we no longer rely on the Listener to discover stuff, and we are very much aware when a new series of our favourite stuff is being screened elsewhere.

The cozy little setup broadcasters had is disappearing fast, and they have to start to be more attentive to what viewers want. Otherwise their subscribers leave (in Sky's case) or their advertising rates collapse because their viewer numbers fall away. So gradually they are starting to care about timely scheduling of new material just a little bit. As more people get technology and good connections this will continue, and broadcasters will have to either sharpen up their act or watch their businesses disappear.

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#798900 13-Apr-2013 19:03

ushare: And that is why there is Unblock us + netflix/hulu ;)

But back to your question: I wonder this too

Not really since neither netflix nor Hulu get TV shows as soon as they are broadcast in the states. Spme stuff, like HBO stuff never gets onto netflix or Hulu, not even delayed.

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#799435 15-Apr-2013 09:42

jesterz,
I doubt will get simultaneous release here as Prime Time in the US is the middle of the afternoon here. The market for those to watch then can't be that high except in the odd circumstance.

21Brandon21
As for thousands leaving SKY if Netflix or Hulu come here I can't see it as they don't have first screening rights for hardly anything and I would imagine the uptake in NZ would make it uneconomical. Those that already get it through other means will not want to pay the NZ price as it will be at least double if not more than the US price. And SKY's core business is sports.

If you really want to watch all NBA games why not get NBA pass?

Jared777

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#799520 15-Apr-2013 11:23

Pls bring ALL NBA Games SKY!

Seriously? There isn't a TV network in world that plays every NBA game.

You might want to take a look a NBA League Pass

The ESPN coverage we receive from Australia is improving. Over the last couple of months we've started getting at least one double-header a week. And with the playoffs about to begin, there will definitely be more games.

21brandon21

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#799729 15-Apr-2013 16:47

Jared777:

Pls bring ALL NBA Games SKY!

Seriously? There isn't a TV network in world that plays every NBA game.

You might want to take a look a NBA League Pass

The ESPN coverage we receive from Australia is improving. Over the last couple of months we've started getting at least one double-header a week. And with the playoffs about to begin, there will definitely be more games.

Not trying to be rude. But I pay over $120 for SKY each month. I don't see why I should be made to pay another $20USD (Plus pay for Bandwidth) to get more NBA Games from NBA League Pass to watch on my PC. I wouldn't mind paying for it if SKY was better priced and if it was included onto my SKY Box so that I could watch it on my TV.

And your statement is completely false. It has no improved. It's about the same as it has been. And your statement about getting more games. No. It's still the same, and I believe we won't be getting both East and West It'll be one or the other. So no NBA Coverage in NZ has no improved and I doubt it will improve in the foreseeable future.

But I hope coverage here will be improved soon through the implementation of ESPN 2, 3 and TNT! These are the channels we need on SKY as they host most if not ALL of the NBA/NFL Games. :(

21brandon21

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#799730 15-Apr-2013 16:49

Jas777: jesterz,
I doubt will get simultaneous release here as Prime Time in the US is the middle of the afternoon here. The market for those to watch then can't be that high except in the odd circumstance.

21Brandon21
As for thousands leaving SKY if Netflix or Hulu come here I can't see it as they don't have first screening rights for hardly anything and I would imagine the uptake in NZ would make it uneconomical. Those that already get it through other means will not want to pay the NZ price as it will be at least double if not more than the US price. And SKY's core business is sports.

If you really want to watch all NBA games why not get NBA pass?

I've heard that Murdoch might be bringing Hulu to NZ, that's why he sold his shares in SKY or w/e. So more than likely Hulu would be getting Full Rights I believe with Murdoch's influence. I believe that if it did come here it would be reasonably priced. But in saying so I hope SKY Fix the issues I've raised so it doesn't get to that point hopefully...

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#799733 15-Apr-2013 16:52

21brandon21:
Not trying to be rude. But I pay over $120 for SKY each month. I don't see why I should be made to pay another $20USD (Plus pay for Bandwidth) to get more NBA Games from NBA League Pass to watch on my PC. I wouldn't mind paying for it if SKY was better priced and if it was included onto my SKY Box so that I could watch it on my TV.

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But I hope coverage here will be improved soon through the implementation of ESPN 2, 3 and TNT! These are the channels we need on SKY as they host most if not ALL of the NBA/NFL Games. :(

So you want more content but don't actually want to pay any more for it, despite the fact it would cost Sky more to acquire that content? Clearly you don't see a problem wiith your logic..

21brandon21

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#799741 15-Apr-2013 17:12

sbiddle:
21brandon21:
Not trying to be rude. But I pay over $120 for SKY each month. I don't see why I should be made to pay another $20USD (Plus pay for Bandwidth) to get more NBA Games from NBA League Pass to watch on my PC. I wouldn't mind paying for it if SKY was better priced and if it was included onto my SKY Box so that I could watch it on my TV.

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But I hope coverage here will be improved soon through the implementation of ESPN 2, 3 and TNT! These are the channels we need on SKY as they host most if not ALL of the NBA/NFL Games. :(

So you want more content but don't actually want to pay any more for it, despite the fact it would cost Sky more to acquire that content? Clearly you don't see a problem wiith your logic..

Yes @sbiddle I see no problem with MY logic. Not trying to sound rude, but SKY ATM is incredibly overpriced with the lack of content. You'd have to be mentally diluted to not think the same. I DON'T want to pay MORE to get the NBA Games here. SKY can get channels; Shopping Channel, U, e.t.c. e.t.c. Yet it can't get a decent amount of the popular NBA Games?

SKY's Revenue for the financial Year of 2011 was NZD797M with a Profit of NZD120.3M.

Compare that with Foxtel AU with a Revenue of AU2B with a Profit of AU206M.

So I can't see any excuses for playing the card of Poverty on SKY TV's end.

They can clearly afford it. Also with the fact that we are a Nation of 4M people comparable with Australia's 24M I think SKY is doing pretty amazing.

So yes I vehemently believe SKY SHOULD be bringing those Channels to NZ. And YES I believe WE shouldn't be paying MORE. IF anything LESS. ADD to the fact, that in Australia they get NBA Games shown on Free TV. Yet we barely get it shown on PAID TV.

AND I also believe that in the Year of 2013 we New Zealander's should be given no excuses as to why we are waiting around a year to have shows broadcasted here, case in Point Sons of Anarchy, American Horror Story and many other shows!

My Logic is sound.

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#799786 15-Apr-2013 18:29

They aren't playing the poverty card, they are playing the "running a successful business" card.

From Sky's perspective the NBA, like everything else, makes sense if and only if delta revenue > delta cost.

It it's not useful to sign up new significant numbers of new subscribers, prevent significant numbers of existing subscribers cancelling, or materially increasing average revenue per subscriber, then why would they do it?

Plus, bandwidth is constrained so they would probably have to drop something else or degrade bitrates and picture quality even further than the execrable quality we get now - which would doubtless prompt whinging from those that lost Kidzone, Cartoon Network, History or whatever.

Ultimately, if you don't like the value proposition they offer, cancel. That's why I dropped the sports package and keep toying with dropping the rest.

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