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# 255645 22-Aug-2019 09:27
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Not surprised in the least.

 

 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/115183271/sky-television-writes-off-670m-of-goodwill-suspends-dividend#comments





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  # 2303518 22-Aug-2019 09:33
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Very good move from Sky and the new CEO. He's what the company has needed for many years.

 

 




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  # 2303532 22-Aug-2019 09:46
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Very good move from Sky and the new CEO. He's what the company has needed for many years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Could not agree more and something John Fellet should have done a long time ago. 





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  # 2303536 22-Aug-2019 09:56
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So the fiddling has stopped and they are putting the fires out. How much of Rome is left standing is yet to be seen.




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  # 2303547 22-Aug-2019 10:07
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Dingbatt: So the fiddling has stopped and they are putting the fires out. How much of Rome is left standing is yet to be seen.

 

A lot is left.

 

I see Sky being in a good place now, and with the massive fragmentation occuring people are realising Sky aren't as evil as some said they were.

 

 


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  # 2303551 22-Aug-2019 10:10
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sbiddle:

 

Dingbatt: So the fiddling has stopped and they are putting the fires out. How much of Rome is left standing is yet to be seen.

 

A lot is left.

 

I see Sky being in a good place now, and with the massive fragmentation occuring people are realising Sky aren't as evil as some said they were.

 

 

 

 

I disagree.  I see it as unprofitable in 4-5 years.  And then private equity will buy it at near zero value.


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  # 2303555 22-Aug-2019 10:18
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sbiddle:

Dingbatt: So the fiddling has stopped and they are putting the fires out. How much of Rome is left standing is yet to be seen.


A lot is left.


I see Sky being in a good place now, and with the massive fragmentation occuring people are realising Sky aren't as evil as some said they were.


 



I agree, but there needed to be a small course correction a while back rather than "full left rudder" just as the iceberg touches the bow.




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I predict Sky will keep shrinking until it is similar to Sparks lightbox. I don't see that sky technology can do better than netflix , amazon , disney etc.   It will come down to content, particularly live sport. 

 

Even the once-advantage of having a settop box in customer homes has become  a disadvantage now that smart-tv's are maturing to the point of being usable.   But, Sky don't want to relinquish the satellite distribution as this caters for the 15% of people who can't get fast internet. 

 

I wonder if new content will become harder to procure. Content providers and studios can reach consumers through their own VOD platforms, and geographical content rights go the way of the dinosaur. 

 

But, a good CEO can probably rescue Sky... but they'd have to be very very good. 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2303716 22-Aug-2019 11:32
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I don't see that at all. I believe it's likely that fragmentation will mean that international rights will take even longer to arrive here. Instead of having 1 provider who decides they want into a market and then securing rights by studio or groups of studios under a master agreement, you'll have a dozen providers negotiating with a dozen studios.

 

 


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  # 2303724 22-Aug-2019 11:43
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In other Sky news today (mods pls advise if this needs its own thread)

 

 


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  # 2303726 22-Aug-2019 11:46
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sbiddle: with the massive fragmentation occuring people are realising Sky aren't as evil as some said they were. 

 

Yes they were/are. A premium priced paid platform that shows almost as much self promotional advertising as it does actual content. This needs to change too.

 

networkn: I believe it's likely that fragmentation will mean that international rights will take even longer to arrive here. Instead of having 1 provider who decides they want into a market and then securing rights by studio or groups of studios under a master agreement, you'll have a dozen providers negotiating with a dozen studios. 

 

Actually I agree that international rights will fade away. As will the providers you refer too. End consumers will have a direct relationship with the content creators VOD platform.

 

I'll sign up to Disney when it launches. I'm currently signed up to Netflix and now also have Amazon Prime video courtesy of 2degrees. I don't tend to watch Lightbox so I'll ditch that. Sport isn't something that particularly interests me - I'll watch it if I'm somewhere where it's on but I won't go out of my way for it.


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sbiddle:

 

Dingbatt: So the fiddling has stopped and they are putting the fires out. How much of Rome is left standing is yet to be seen.

 

A lot is left.

 

I see Sky being in a good place now, and with the massive fragmentation occuring people are realising Sky aren't as evil as some said they were.

 

 

 

 

I disagree.  I see it as unprofitable in 4-5 years.  And then private equity will buy it at near zero value.

 

 

And when Mediaworks and TVNZ have gone the way off the Dodo we really will have something to cry about as all our entertainment and news will be in the hands of offshore entities that don't give a toss. The fragmented mess that will be streaming services will be the nightmare that will be our only choice. We will be dished up a range of unrealistic reality TV, trite current affairs shows and news that is largely irrelevant to New Zealand. 





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  # 2303728 22-Aug-2019 11:52
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MikeB4: And when Mediaworks and TVNZ have gone the way off the Dodo we really will have something to cry about as all our entertainment and news will be in the hands of offshore entities that don't give a toss. The fragmented mess that will be streaming services will be the nightmare that will be our only choice. We will be dished up a range of unrealistic reality TV, trite current affairs shows and news that is largely irrelevant to New Zealand. 

 

You're currently being dished up all that 'reality' TV tripe now by TVNZ and Mediaworks - it's the majority of their programming. With streaming services that stuff will simply be available; you choose whether to watch it or not.


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networkn:

 

I don't see that at all. I believe it's likely that fragmentation will mean that international rights will take even longer to arrive here. Instead of having 1 provider who decides they want into a market and then securing rights by studio or groups of studios under a master agreement, you'll have a dozen providers negotiating with a dozen studios.

 

 

 

 

I have to disagree. Netflix/amazon (and soon Disney) are already providing very good shows directly to New Zealanders, bypassing the traditional TVNZ/TV3 route.  And, we get to view these shows at the same time as our American friends. 

 

Lightbox/sky tends to sign shows from outside netflix/amazon... once hulu/hbo start selling to us direct, sky/tvnz/tv3 will be reduced to re-runs and crap NZ produced reality TV. 


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MikeB4:

 

And when Mediaworks and TVNZ have gone the way off the Dodo we really will have something to cry about as all our entertainment and news will be in the hands of offshore entities that don't give a toss. The fragmented mess that will be streaming services will be the nightmare that will be our only choice. We will be dished up a range of unrealistic reality TV, trite current affairs shows and news that is largely irrelevant to New Zealand. 

 

 

Does it really matter?  

 

Watch the shows you like, read the news on the internet, watch your sports through Spark sport or whatever.   That pretty much covers everything I need... although, I agree that fragmentation is a bit annoying. 

 

Wouldn't it be nice if content producers could consolidate into a single platform, similar to how spotify works. Would never happen, but would be nice. 

 

 


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  # 2303741 22-Aug-2019 12:20
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networkn:

 

I don't see that at all. I believe it's likely that fragmentation will mean that international rights will take even longer to arrive here. Instead of having 1 provider who decides they want into a market and then securing rights by studio or groups of studios under a master agreement, you'll have a dozen providers negotiating with a dozen studios.

 

 

 

 

I have to disagree. Netflix/amazon (and soon Disney) are already providing very good shows directly to New Zealanders, bypassing the traditional TVNZ/TV3 route.  And, we get to view these shows at the same time as our American friends. 

 

Lightbox/sky tends to sign shows from outside netflix/amazon... once hulu/hbo start selling to us direct, sky/tvnz/tv3 will be reduced to re-runs and crap NZ produced reality TV. 

 

 

Have you checked out the library of those services NZ vs US provided? It's why I use the US libraries.

 

 


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