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Topic # 59645 8-Apr-2010 15:52
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Hey folks,

I've been searching for years, and never finding... my perfect PDA/Phone.  I can't believe nobody has filled this void yet... HELP!

Perhaps the closest thing to what i want is my old iPaq... by old, I mean like 10 years ago.
I've had Nokia N900 / N95 / iPhone but I want a very large sized phone / PDA that I can take notes on in meetings, and use as a phone.
I'm currently using a tablet, but it's too big and cumbersome in meetings / cafes etc...


I will use it as a phone / PDA, take notes in meetings, and as a mobile PDA.


Must Haves:
 - Large screen (3.5 - 5 inch)
 - Stylus & Handwriting Recognition
 - GSM Phone functionality
 - Bluetooth / wifi /


Please Haves:
 - Decent speed...
 - Interoperability with Outlook / exchange / sync / etc
 - 5 inch screen (eg. upper end of 'large screen'
 - Ability to add 3rd party apps

Would be nice (not at all essential):
 - Hardware keyboard for touch typing (text messages / short emails)
 - Reasonable battery
 - Native interoperability with Outlook
 - Native interoperability with OneNote / other common files - MSOffice / OpenOffice
 - Media Player
 - 3.5m headphone jack
 - Quad band


The Dell Mini 5 looks fantastic, but it has no Stylus so it's off the list :(
The Microsoft Courier looks interesting, but is too big...I think
The Readius is really interesting idea in foldable screens... but again, no stylus.


Have you seen anything like this?

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  Reply # 316259 8-Apr-2010 16:08
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Glad to see I'm not the only one unhappy with every smart phone since the P910i!

Having said that, have you looked at the HTC Desire? I think it might be.... *angel noises*.... the one.




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  Reply # 316265 8-Apr-2010 16:30
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Hey Muppet... you had me a little bit excited for a minute there - with your angel noises, and Android phone, but I should know better.

Must Haves:
 - Large screen (3.5 - 5 inch)
 - Stylus & Handwriting Recognition
 - ...

The key thing is that the Desire does not have a stylus & Handwriting recognition :(.  This is a must have, and the single greatest limiting factor in my search.

Also, I whipped out my tape measure... the Desire is 5mm longer than my iPhone, and the same width, with  3.7inch screen - so only just scrapes in with respect to size.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 316268 8-Apr-2010 16:35
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Arrrgh I'm so sorry! I read your list twice to make sure I wasn't missing bits.

It's obviously time for my eye test.



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  Reply # 316270 8-Apr-2010 16:39
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Eye Test for muppet

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  Reply # 316284 8-Apr-2010 17:55
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Edwood: Hey folks,

...

I will use it as a phone / PDA, take notes in meetings, and as a mobile PDA.


Must Haves:
 - Large screen (3.5 - 5 inch)
 - Stylus & Handwriting Recognition
 - GSM Phone functionality
 - Bluetooth / wifi /
...



Dude, a 5" screen device against your head is not a phone, its a mini microwave. Not to mention trying to fit the device in your pocket and not attracting unwanted attentions.

For note taking i find a qwerty keyboard, like my Bold, is very good if you don't like touchscreen.  Do you really need a large screen for taking notes? You might want to breakdown the things you do with the device and how often. For example, in frequent functions can be done on a secondary device, like a netbook, so you don't have to carry it on you all the time.

The HTC Windows Mobile series devices, HTC HD Touch etc..., will offer close to what you need, except for 5" inch screen.  btw, stylus and handwriting recognition are a thing of the past. Touch and muli-touch, and eventually gesture and voice based input, are all the rage now. 



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  Reply # 316288 8-Apr-2010 18:09
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Hadn't really considered the microwave factor, and generally figure it's fine... I don't believe we are all getting cancerified by our phones. I would like to handle a 5inch device for a while, but I don't think it would be too big for me.

The main reason I need a stylus is due to cultural conditioning.  As a general rule, it is socially acceptable to take handwritten notes while someone else is talking.  It is not socially acceptable to be typing on a phone or laptop etc.  This gives the speaker the feeling that you aren't really paying attention... even if your motives are pure.  Until the social norms change, I want to give my contemporaries the best experience of talking to me, whilst still making some digital notes.


As I started this thread, with my comment about my old iPaq, I did come to thinking... whats the latest version of my old iPaq?  I looked for windows mobile 7 devices, but didn't find a lot... I'll take your advice and see else what HTC has to offer these days.

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  Reply # 316352 8-Apr-2010 21:07
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What about the touch diamond 2 from HTC? I have an earlier HTC phone, and that certainly has handwriting recognition (which is really good, considering how appalling my handwriting is) ... the only thing I'm not sure on is the screen size ...

Maybe even the touch pro 2 would do it?


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  Reply # 316371 8-Apr-2010 21:45
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Unfortunately it's not available yet, but seems like you want the Dell Mini 5.

If you're flexible on the phone part, have a look at the Fujitsu UH900 (and U820, and the various other models). They're 5.6" UMPC's with 1280*800 screen res and run desktop OS's. Some have built-in 3G modems, but they're not phones unfortunately.

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  Reply # 316376 8-Apr-2010 22:06
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Too late to edit my post, but I think the gsmarena advanced search is a good place to look.

Go to http://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3 and select "3.5 inches or more" or "4.0 inches or more", and any other criteria you want.

EDIT: Take a look at http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_advantage_x7510-2267.php and http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_advantage_x7500-1887.php



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  Reply # 316392 9-Apr-2010 00:02
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Lol - michaelt, the Dell mini 5 is one of the ones I said would be cool, BUT - no stylus / handwriting. And yes, the phone part is in the small list of must haves, which r must haves :)

I'll chk out the gsmarena links.

Sent from my iPhone in bed ;)



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  Reply # 316424 9-Apr-2010 08:38
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OK, well I have one contender so far...

The HTC Advantage X7510 is a 5" screen, with Stylue, wifi, bluetooth, gps, etc etc...

It looks huge in some photos, but watch a video if you're interested.  The keboard snaps on top of the screen, and it's suddenly just a normalish sized PDA.  Sure it's big, but hardly bigger than my wallet.  IT looks like it will do the business.

However, it is 2 years old!  Surely there is something more recent that will do the business!?  Maybe not, and hey, I don't need to be hip and fly and up with the cool kids... I just want my requirements met.

The other issue is I can't buy one in NZ, so I'd have to find some dodgey ebay seller... which is always a risky business.

One other minor concern... I haven't seen any pics / vids of someone actually using the stylus to write notes.  'handwriting recognition' is in the specs, but I can't find any user confirmation or review on this.


So... is there anything else!?  Surely the 2 year old X7510 is not the only device out there?

C'mon HTC / Google!  Surely you can make me an android version of this puppy!




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  Reply # 316467 9-Apr-2010 10:37
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have you seen the sony ericsson vivas or vivas pro,(the pro seems to be the same as the standard but with a qwerty keyboard )

symbian os can handle third party apps.. not sure which ones you want though

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_vivaz_pro-3075.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_vivaz-3022.php


.. im pretty sure it fits most of your requirements




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  Reply # 316473 9-Apr-2010 11:14
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Hmmm... Nice idea.

However, at 3.2" the Vivaz doesn't meet my 3.5" - 5" (preferably at the larger end) must-have.  :(

I also notice that Sony Ericsson have focussed on making a great multimedia device, which is nice... but not my focus.  Streaming / playing media is cool, but i'm more interested in the 'business' applications of the device.

I've been waiting for years for the next great thing... and I feel, as I always do, that someone is going to produce something real soon...  but still no rumours :(


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  Reply # 316474 9-Apr-2010 11:22
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damn i did check over the screen size, must have missread it somehow


also, the symbian operating system being used by sony for this phone is the same(apart from a skin makeover) as the ones use don its E series smart phones




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  Reply # 316478 9-Apr-2010 11:33
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Sweet as - You can join the line for the eye test (see above).

I'm an old-time S60 boy with the (now ancient) N95 still being in my top 2 phones.

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