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#3371921 10-May-2025 01:13

tweake:

my fav example is the high end house that won building industry awards. it has huge huge amounts of windows. the best the industry can do and its quickly sold off. all the subsequent houses of that design all had timber battens across the windows to shade them. no prize for guessing why the original award winning master piece got sold off.

Of course you don’t know why it was sold, you are guessing. There is a big difference between opinion and fact. Far too often you present the former as the latter.

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#3371930 10-May-2025 07:58

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tweake:

my fav example is the high end house that won building industry awards. it has huge huge amounts of windows. the best the industry can do and its quickly sold off. all the subsequent houses of that design all had timber battens across the windows to shade them. no prize for guessing why the original award winning master piece got sold off.

Of course you don’t know why it was sold, you are guessing. There is a big difference between opinion and fact. Far too often you present the former as the latter.

Reading through the comment you replied to, there was a lot more context that has unfortunately been lost.

The gist of it is that building a house is a bigger thing than just giving the client what they ask for.

Even a libertarian would see the problems with such a stance.

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#3372140 10-May-2025 23:27

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Handle9:

Of course you don’t know why it was sold, you are guessing. There is a big difference between opinion and fact. Far too often you present the former as the latter.

Reading through the comment you replied to, there was a lot more context that has unfortunately been lost.

The gist of it is that building a house is a bigger thing than just giving the client what they ask for.

Even a libertarian would see the problems with such a stance.

There is no context that has been lost. OP has a particular view of the world. They believe that their view on the way housing should be built is the only valid view.

I don't agree. It's really that simple.

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#3372167 11-May-2025 10:52

Handle9:

There is no context that has been lost. OP has a particular view of the world. They believe that their view on the way housing should be built is the only valid view.

I don't agree. It's really that simple.

meh, handle being handle. if it was up to you we would all be living in tents and being sold off each year for double the price.

my view is really simple, a house needs to do what houses are meant to do, instead of reducing that ability so it can increase how much make money from them.

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#3372245 11-May-2025 15:44

tweake:

meh, handle being handle. if it was up to you we would all be living in tents and being sold off each year for double the price.

I'd love to see where I have said any of that? Please feel free to provide quotes that support this.

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#3381650 7-Jun-2025 19:09

As an industry professional running a construction company, I am in 2 minds about this.

I think builders should be able to self-certify, same as plumbers, sparkies, gas fitters and waterproofers, and be able to provide a PS3 document, signing the work off as completed to the standard. This would save a ton of wasted time on inspections, particularly on small projects, however I think some inspections should still take place on full builds / major renovations as they are complex projects. Otherwise, what is the point of the LPB system?

The entire LBP system needs a major overhaul. Currently, it's way to easy to gain and maintain the license; if this were tightened up, that would help the entire industry and get rid of a ton of cowboys out there doing shoddy work.

An earlier poster made a good point about having independent inspectors checking the work onsite, I agree with this in principle, but these inspectors need to be ex-LBPs and have the training and knowledge to back it up. There are so many council and independent inspectors out there who have no idea what they are talking about, and the inconsistencies/contradictions between each inspector during projects is very frustrating when one inspector says one thing and the next inspector says another. - We need alot more training in every aspect of the building sector to improve outcomes for everyone.

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#3381665 7-Jun-2025 20:42

BuildUnlimited:

As an industry professional running a construction company, I am in 2 minds about this.

I think builders should be able to self-certify, same as plumbers, sparkies, gas fitters and waterproofers, and be able to provide a PS3 document, signing the work off as completed to the standard. This would save a ton of wasted time on inspections, particularly on small projects, however I think some inspections should still take place on full builds / major renovations as they are complex projects. Otherwise, what is the point of the LPB system?

The entire LBP system needs a major overhaul. Currently, it's way to easy to gain and maintain the license; if this were tightened up, that would help the entire industry and get rid of a ton of cowboys out there doing shoddy work.

An earlier poster made a good point about having independent inspectors checking the work onsite, I agree with this in principle, but these inspectors need to be ex-LBPs and have the training and knowledge to back it up. There are so many council and independent inspectors out there who have no idea what they are talking about, and the inconsistencies/contradictions between each inspector during projects is very frustrating when one inspector says one thing and the next inspector says another. - We need alot more training in every aspect of the building sector to improve outcomes for everyone.

trouble is small projects don't get inspections now so i'm not sure what the change would be. also many building issues are slow burns. electrical/gas/etc tend to fail big. smell of gas or explosion, electrical fire etc. its noticeable while most building failures tend to be hidden for a very long time. it took a long time before leaky homes became a thing. add in that a lot of building work gets covered up and you can't pull off a cover plate to inspect it like you can with electrical or gas, it makes it very easy to hide shortcuts.

2ndly the homeowner/customer is always keen for it to be done cheaper, especially when many are selling it off soon anyway. so the homeowner is also part of the problem to. a big part of inspections is to make sure home owners are not pushing for shortcuts.

the problem i have with ex-lbps being inspectors is they are mates with the builders and do let things slide. the case where they signed off the house and the builder had never finished it, a mate inspector helping out a builder mate. nz being small doesn't help. second problem is the old builders carry on old out of date ideas and pass on old bad habits/information onto newer builders. you will get new builders who know better than the old inspectors. a lot of old builders resist new training.

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