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Topic # 220352 7-Aug-2017 11:33
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Hi,

 

The front door has a deadbolt only, so it doesn't hold the door closed when unlocked. We need something to hold the door shut when not locked, perhaps like this:

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/yale-snap-magnet-door-catch-white_p00224516

 

Or this:

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/sylvan-roller-bolt-catch-chrome-plated_p00144493

 

But our particular requirement is that it pull the door closed *firmly*. The door and frame is new and has a built-in compressible draught strip all the way round that resists the door closing the last fraction of an inch, so it needs a firm push to close perfectly.

 

However the deadbolt is a wirelessly controlled unit that can be locked remotely, and if the door is not pulled firmly closed the bolt will not line up into the strike plate. If I lock remotely it always fails.

 

So wondering what kind of catch will best achieve this full closure? The magnet one looks easiest to fit and probably doesn't require perfect alignment but not sure if it will pull the door closed against the resistance of the draught strip.

 

TIA for any suggestions

 

JohnO


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  Reply # 1840532 7-Aug-2017 13:00
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That roller catch won't do for a front door. It'll blow open even if it does hold against the seal.

 

https://www.sopersmac.co.nz/View-A-Product/Latches/Dormakaba-RB111-Roller-Catch/id/82453

 

Personally, I'd fit a proper entry set with a handle.


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  Reply # 1840538 7-Aug-2017 13:07
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Have roller catch on our front door with a manual deadbolt.  Hate it.  To prevent it blowing open in the wind I have to have it adjusted out so tightly that it becomes a battle to open and close it.   I suggest the magnet one would be even worse.   The only way would be a proper catch & handle that clicks into place IMO.  https://www.bunnings.co.nz/yale-orbit-entrance-knobset-double-cylinder-titanium-polished-brass_p00111927

 

How that would work with your automated lock I am not sure.  Other option could be a door closer.  

 

 





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  Reply # 1840558 7-Aug-2017 13:28
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@scuwp :

 

Don't know why but at the moment with *no* door catch the door never seems to blow open - even though there's little resistance to pushing it open. I think the layout of the entry foyer and rooms downstairs  doesn't lend itself to large pressure differences.

 

@cadman : 

 

That's a beefy looking catch. Don't want an entry set if I can find a suitable catch as it's redundant clutter otherwise. 


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  Reply # 1840567 7-Aug-2017 13:51
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Neither of those will be suitable for a front door, they are more for wardrobes. Who actually installed the door? Normally you have a levered handle with a lock, as well as  possibly a dead bolt, although that can be built in.




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  Reply # 1840575 7-Aug-2017 14:05
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mattwnz:

 

Neither of those will be suitable for a front door, they are more for wardrobes. Who actually installed the door? Normally you have a levered handle with a lock, as well as  possibly a dead bolt, although that can be built in.

 

 

The door is a pre-hung unit - don't recall who made it but installed by the builder. 

 

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=entrance+door&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRqrvWgsTVAhUJmJQKHUIzBqQQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=950

 

Most of the modern-styled ones have no entry levers - just a fixed pull handle and deadbolt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1840578 7-Aug-2017 14:20
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Yale Concealed Door Closer???

 

 

 

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/yale-concealed-door-closer-bronze_p00623052

 

 

 

[EDIT MOD (RC): No need for 1600x1600 images, please resize.]


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  Reply # 1840586 7-Aug-2017 14:24
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Sorry didn't mean to confuse the issue, the link was not a specific recommendation, just trying to describe a style of catch that automatically retracts and secures the door on closing .  Of course door hardware and mechanism would need to be fit for purpose for a front door.  I suggest take some photos and go and see a proper door hardware retailer (not Bunnings/M10) to talk about options.  

 

     

 

 





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  Reply # 1840589 7-Aug-2017 14:26
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That's tidy. Would have to have incredible spring tension to pull the door firmly closed against the draught strip though.

 

 


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  Reply # 1840603 7-Aug-2017 15:08
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One of these would do it, but don't buy a new one - you should be able to find a second hand one from just about any building recycler. I doubt you'd pay more than $20 for a second hand one, and it should do the trick. I think you can adjust the closing force on most of them too.

 

Image result for door closer




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  Reply # 1840605 7-Aug-2017 15:16
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Agreed that is the gold standard for door closers and they are quite easy to setup. I doubt that SWMBO would let me install something that visually obtrusive though. Easier for her to just send me downstairs to lock the door.

 

 


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  Reply # 1840613 7-Aug-2017 15:30
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kryptonjohn:

 

mattwnz:

 

Neither of those will be suitable for a front door, they are more for wardrobes. Who actually installed the door? Normally you have a levered handle with a lock, as well as  possibly a dead bolt, although that can be built in.

 

 

The door is a pre-hung unit - don't recall who made it but installed by the builder. 

 

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=entrance+door&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRqrvWgsTVAhUJmJQKHUIzBqQQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=950

 

Most of the modern-styled ones have no entry levers - just a fixed pull handle and deadbolt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They aren't dealbolts though.Usually these types have a toggle on one side, and and and angled tougue so it slides over the catch. So you still often need a key to open from outside, but can open without a key on the inside. Not the greatest design though if you are wanting to go in and out the front door all the time without a key. Not unless you also have a toggle on the outside, which basically mades it like a levered door handle anyway. Normal deadbolt are keyed on both sides, and have no sliding tongue, so people can't get in or out, but potentially dangerous in a fire.


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  Reply # 1840616 7-Aug-2017 15:32
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One of these would do it, but don't buy a new one - you should be able to find a second hand one from just about any building recycler. I doubt you'd pay more than $20 for a second hand one, and it should do the trick. I think you can adjust the closing force on most of them too.

 

Image result for door closer

 

 

 

 

They will bang in the wind, and they are really made for internal doors that you want to keep closed. The door also still wouldn't be latched shut. You can actually buy electronic magnetic catches which are very very strong, but overkill for this application.




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  Reply # 1840617 7-Aug-2017 15:32
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Yeah the Yale we have can be opened from the inside without a key - does that make "deadbolt" a misnomer?

 

 


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  Reply # 1840627 7-Aug-2017 15:38
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Yale Concealed Door Closer???

 

 

 

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/yale-concealed-door-closer-bronze_p00623052

 

 

 

[EDIT MOD (RC): No need for 1600x1600 images, please resize.]

 

 

These are quite handy - I put one on a dunny door, as I don't like the visual appeal (or lack of) from the dunny door being left open.  But while they're useful to swing a door closed, they don't have enough grunt to suit what the OP needs.  They are also undamped - not a problem where we have it - but you'd need to think about where to put one - as cranked up then they can swing a door quite fast.


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  Reply # 1840628 7-Aug-2017 15:40
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If yours is a modern door, the square latch in is photo is probably what you want, which also should opening from both sides. https://www.gjgardner.co.nz/assets/Uploads/inspiration/photos/73e-MarkTantrum-2014-11-02-770.JPG


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