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#258509 7-Oct-2019 20:17
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Having a house build.

 

I would like a digital touch pad door lock.

 

 

 

The builder has given me the choice between:

 

https://www.assaabloyopeningsolutions.nz/en/products/keyless-entry/electronic-digital-locking/3109-digital-door-lock/

 

and

 

https://www.allegion.co.nz/en/products/residential-security/electronic-security/schlage-s-6000.html

 

 

 

Has anyone got any experience with either of these?

 

 


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  #2332192 7-Oct-2019 20:22
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Yup - I have the Yale installed at our current house. Has been running perfectly for the last few years.
We'll be moving into a newly built house in the next month and I'm considering moving away from the Yale to something smarter.

 

The Yale is a solid and great mortice lock. Functions well. Batteries last ~5 months but depends on use.

 

The Schlage is an awesome brand as well. Has a higher IP rating especially if its going to be facing the elements.




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  #2332194 7-Oct-2019 20:24
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Jiriteach:

 

Yup - I have the Yale installed at our current house. Has been running perfectly for the last few years.
We'll be moving into a newly built house in the next month and I'm considering moving away from the Yale to something smarter.

 

The Yale is a solid and great mortice lock. Functions well. Batteries last ~5 months but depends on use.

 

The Schlage is an awesome brand as well. Has a higher IP rating especially if its going to be facing the elements.

 

 

Something smarter? What would that be like? Built in camera? Working with Alexa?

 

Sorry, only just started looking into all this, so don't know a lot about it.


 
 
 
 


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  #2332196 7-Oct-2019 20:29
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danepak:

 

Jiriteach:

 

Yup - I have the Yale installed at our current house. Has been running perfectly for the last few years.
We'll be moving into a newly built house in the next month and I'm considering moving away from the Yale to something smarter.

 

The Yale is a solid and great mortice lock. Functions well. Batteries last ~5 months but depends on use.

 

The Schlage is an awesome brand as well. Has a higher IP rating especially if its going to be facing the elements.

 

 

Something smarter? What would that be like? Built in camera? Working with Alexa?

 

Sorry, only just started looking into all this, so don't know a lot about it.

 

 

Something like the Schlage Encode which has just been released. 
https://www.schlage.com/en/home/products/FE375CENFFFLAT.html

 

Wifi capable smart lock which integrates to a number of other items. Has Alexa and Google Assistant support and integration to Ring cameras.

 

Yale has a equivilant - https://digital.yalelock.co.nz/ which has a network module but uses bluetooth to another smart device for connectivity.

 

With the network connectivity in these - they are substantially smarter than the mortice locks. You can get add-ons for the Yale 3109 but best it offers is bluetooth connectivity.


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  #2332267 7-Oct-2019 22:20
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Also having a house build and want a two deadbolt locks hat work with Alexa. One for the front door and the other for the internal garage door with the external garage door being controlled using a zapper.

 

This lock appears to meet most of my requirement https://www.schlage.com/en/home/products/BE468GBCENFFF.htm

 

It also uses Zigbee which is compatible with NZ standards.




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  #2332280 7-Oct-2019 22:47
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Jiriteach:

danepak:


Jiriteach:


Yup - I have the Yale installed at our current house. Has been running perfectly for the last few years.
We'll be moving into a newly built house in the next month and I'm considering moving away from the Yale to something smarter.


The Yale is a solid and great mortice lock. Functions well. Batteries last ~5 months but depends on use.


The Schlage is an awesome brand as well. Has a higher IP rating especially if its going to be facing the elements.



Something smarter? What would that be like? Built in camera? Working with Alexa?


Sorry, only just started looking into all this, so don't know a lot about it.



Something like the Schlage Encode which has just been released. 
https://www.schlage.com/en/home/products/FE375CENFFFLAT.html


Wifi capable smart lock which integrates to a number of other items. Has Alexa and Google Assistant support and integration to Ring cameras.


Yale has a equivilant - https://digital.yalelock.co.nz/ which has a network module but uses bluetooth to another smart device for connectivity.


With the network connectivity in these - they are substantially smarter than the mortice locks. You can get add-ons for the Yale 3109 but best it offers is bluetooth connectivity.



So if I don’t need it to connect to Alexa or lock the car remotely, Bluetooth is a good option?
Bluetooth will allow me to lock and open the door from my phone, as long as it’s within range, right?
Any other advantages?

And what if I want to buy extra entrance cards? Are these expensive?

Unfortunately these are the only two options from the builder.
Not really sure if I do need it to hook up with Alexa.
I’m considering a camera doorbell too. It will work fine without being connected to the door lock, right?

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  #2332290 7-Oct-2019 23:54
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Bluetooth tends to have less range that Wi-Fi or ZigBee devices. Something to bear in mind, particularly so when the door will be on the outside of the house (furtherest you can get without being outside).


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  #2332368 8-Oct-2019 09:05
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danepak: 

 

So if I don’t need it to connect to Alexa or lock the car remotely, Bluetooth is a good option?
Bluetooth will allow me to lock and open the door from my phone, as long as it’s within range, right?
Any other advantages?

And what if I want to buy extra entrance cards? Are these expensive?

Unfortunately these are the only two options from the builder.
Not really sure if I do need it to hook up with Alexa.
I’m considering a camera doorbell too. It will work fine without being connected to the door lock, right?

 

I've got the Yale at home, and we had it installed about a month ago.  WAF has been positive.  I'm thinking seriously about the Bluetooth module, partly for easy setting of some one time codes for visitors and contractors etc.

 

The PIN is highly convenient.  I'm thinking about using a little keyring RFID tag as well, so it's just 'tap to unlock'.  I have that for the alarm at work, and the same tag is *probably* compatible, but I'll have to do a quick bit of research first.  As long as you find an RFID tag with the right specifications, you can use 3rd party tags without issue.

 

I've just bought the original Ring Doorbell on special, and it won't talk to the lock which is fine for me.  If I'd wanted something that talks to the lock, my budget would likely have needed to go up.





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  #2332371 8-Oct-2019 09:25
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I'm not sure whether any smart lock is a good idea at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwm6nvC9Xhc





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  #2332373 8-Oct-2019 09:29
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danepak:
Jiriteach:

 

danepak:

 

 

 

Jiriteach:

 

 

 

Yup - I have the Yale installed at our current house. Has been running perfectly for the last few years.
We'll be moving into a newly built house in the next month and I'm considering moving away from the Yale to something smarter.

 

 

 

The Yale is a solid and great mortice lock. Functions well. Batteries last ~5 months but depends on use.

 

 

 

The Schlage is an awesome brand as well. Has a higher IP rating especially if its going to be facing the elements.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Something smarter? What would that be like? Built in camera? Working with Alexa?

 

 

 

Sorry, only just started looking into all this, so don't know a lot about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Something like the Schlage Encode which has just been released. 
https://www.schlage.com/en/home/products/FE375CENFFFLAT.html

 

 

 

Wifi capable smart lock which integrates to a number of other items. Has Alexa and Google Assistant support and integration to Ring cameras.

 

 

 

Yale has a equivilant - https://digital.yalelock.co.nz/ which has a network module but uses bluetooth to another smart device for connectivity.

 

 

 

With the network connectivity in these - they are substantially smarter than the mortice locks. You can get add-ons for the Yale 3109 but best it offers is bluetooth connectivity.

 



So if I don’t need it to connect to Alexa or lock the car remotely, Bluetooth is a good option?
Bluetooth will allow me to lock and open the door from my phone, as long as it’s within range, right?
Any other advantages?

And what if I want to buy extra entrance cards? Are these expensive?

Unfortunately these are the only two options from the builder.
Not really sure if I do need it to hook up with Alexa.
I’m considering a camera doorbell too. It will work fine without being connected to the door lock, right?

 

Not sure on the benefit of bluetooth on a lock given its range! The new Yale ones do use bluetooth to link into Apple HomePods or Apple TV's which act as its bridge. 
All depends if you want smart connectivity from your phone.

The Schlage Encode (wifi) is the new version of the Schlage Connect (bluetooth)


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  #2332377 8-Oct-2019 09:39
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Tinkerisk:

 

I'm not sure whether any smart lock is a good idea at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwm6nvC9Xhc

 

Certainly an internet connected lock carries risk....  we've all read how 'secure' IoT devices can be.  It was a small consideration for me when I was thinking about a video doorbell that could unlock the door.

 

In most cases, security is there to keep out the slightly-to-mediumly shady characters, or makes it just hard enough that the shady character just moves on to an easier target.  Anyone who really wants to get in, will get in.





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  #2332947 8-Oct-2019 18:50
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I'm going with Yale when we redo ours shortly.

 

The alarm installer said that it will soon be able to speak to the alarm so that when you unlock the door, the alarm turns off. That would be the extent of what I need a door lock to do, since there is nothing else in the house for it to work with.






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  #2333216 9-Oct-2019 09:53
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What about: https://www.allegion.co.nz/en/products/residential-security/electronic-security/schlage-s-6800.html

 

Same as one of the ones the OP mentioned, but with a fingerprint reader.

 

We are building and I'm considering this one, but haven't done much research yet.




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  #2333219 9-Oct-2019 09:58
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The only two offered are these two models.
Which one would you recommend?
Yale (Assa Abloy) or Schlage (Allegion)?
Builder says Yale is the most popular choice.



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  #2333220 9-Oct-2019 09:58
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The only two offered are these two models.
Which one would you recommend?
Yale (Assa Abloy) or Schlage (Allegion)?
Builder says Yale is the most popular choice.

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  #2333222 9-Oct-2019 10:06
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danepak: The only two offered are these two models.
Which one would you recommend?
Yale (Assa Abloy) or Schlage (Allegion)?
Builder says Yale is the most popular choice.

 

 

 

Choose the cheapest or the one with a decent 2nd hand value and be prepared to change it later.


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