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#283958 22-Mar-2021 13:50
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Part of the Casa de Cowboy redo is replacing the deck surface. When the existing joists were exposed the cowboy nature of the build means there's some surface damage to the tops of some of the joists, and I'd like to seal them before they're reclad. Problem is that pretty much all outdoor timber weatherproofing assumes you want a nice coloured finish or whatever and can recoat periodically, while all I care about is a one-shot sealer that can look as bad as it wants because it won't be visible. If it wasn't for the ongoing fumes I'd slather diesel over it and let it soak in. Resene have their AquaPel, but that's more a water repellent and needs recoating, I just want something penetrating and probably oil-based to seal the timber, and single-coat rather than a standard paint sealer that then needs topcoating.

 

 

Any ideas other than the diesel?

 

 

Edited to anticipate the inevitable: Decking oil isn't the right thing, for starters it's often not even oil, and then you need multiple coats and constant recoating. I'm after a single-coat, can be ugly or unsightly, pentrating sealer.

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  #2678462 22-Mar-2021 13:58
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Something like this might be what you are after

 

 

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/metalex-500ml-green-concentrated-timber-preservative_p0570965

 

 

 

Typically used for sealing cut ends on weatherboards and other bits of timber. I know you can get some stronger products but not too sure how easy they are to get off the shelf.




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  #2678466 22-Mar-2021 14:02
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Something like this might be what you are after

 

 

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/metalex-500ml-green-concentrated-timber-preservative_p0570965

 

 

 

Typically used for sealing cut ends on weatherboards and other bits of timber. I know you can get some stronger products but not too sure how easy they are to get off the shelf.

 

 

That looks perfect, thanks!

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  #2678552 22-Mar-2021 15:59
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I tend to use resene timberlock for this sort of thing: https://shop.resene.co.nz/resene-timberlock.

Joist tape for decks is a thing overseas but I haven't seen it here. You could run a line of DPC / damp proof course and staple it down I guess?



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  #2678561 22-Mar-2021 16:14
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mdf: I tend to use resene timberlock for this sort of thing: https://shop.resene.co.nz/resene-timberlock.

Joist tape for decks is a thing overseas but I haven't seen it here. You could run a line of DPC / damp proof course and staple it down I guess?

 

 

Timberlock needs overcoating, so there's not much benefit over just standard primer+paint. Which also means sanding/cleaning up the existing timber rather than just soaking dies... something else into it.

 

 

You can get joist tape here, the builder suggested it, but I was looking more at some penetrating oil-based stuff to deal with the existing damage.

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  #2678746 22-Mar-2021 18:55
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I used some of this on a couple of my deck joists, where the very tops were starting to go a bit soft: https://www.bunnings.co.nz/earls-250ml-wood-hardener_p0506954

It did make it quite hard to nail into though...




 
 
 

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  #2678748 22-Mar-2021 19:08
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froob: I used some of this on a couple of my deck joists, where the very tops were starting to go a bit soft: https://www.bunnings.co.nz/earls-250ml-wood-hardener_p0506954

It did make it quite hard to nail into though...

 

 

From memory that's acrylic urethane with fungicide added, so water-based urethane varnish which is why you'd have a hard time nailing through it. You can buy it in its generic form as e.g. Cabothane, but it does something a bit different to what I was after.

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  #2678809 22-Mar-2021 20:49
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froob: I used some of this on a couple of my deck joists, where the very tops were starting to go a bit soft: https://www.bunnings.co.nz/earls-250ml-wood-hardener_p0506954

It did make it quite hard to nail into though...


This sounds perfect for a problem area. If I put it on plain timber does it dry clear so it can be varnished over and still look like wood or does it have a colour.

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  #2678811 22-Mar-2021 20:54
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Eva888: This sounds perfect for a problem area. If I put it on plain timber does it dry clear so it can be varnished over and still look like wood or does it have a colour.

 

 

Water-based urethane has a milky appearance when it's applied but dries clear. However since it is a varnish, varnishing over it will be a bit redundant.

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  #2678823 22-Mar-2021 21:18
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Checked out a video in You tube and it looks like a miracle product. They used it on very rotten wood and it went hard as stone and the advice was not to remove too much of the rotten wood so it soaks up the product and gives it substance. Also good to drill holes through into the sound wood so it soaks in further and creates a better bond. Thanks for this suggestion. Will be buying some tomorrow to try.

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  #2678826 22-Mar-2021 21:26
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https://youtu.be/Jq5wlpKOmmc one of the links for the wood hardener.

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