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  #2291186 6-Aug-2019 20:23
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networkn:

 

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I am a bit surprised at the suggestion that a drop from 50/60FPS 25/30Fps at the same bitrate wouldn't produce a materially lesser experience, otherwise why bother offering 50/60FPS in the first place.

 

In my mind, if you can offer 50/60FPS for the majority of the devices (assuming it is indeed a device compatiblity issue and nothing else), then surely allowing the end user to select this would be FAR preferable to stopping everyone except the (logically speaking) minority of users from having it by default?

 

 

 

 

I suspect it comes back to how these devices report back their serviceable quality.

 

 

Well, be that as it may, perhaps it could be an option enabled per device in the account page of the website perhaps? A toggle with a well written explanation of the issues that may occur and perhaps a list of devices it's recommended against changing it for. 

 

Presumably devices give a device ID string when they connect, so you can identify them, and if they are device x or y known to have issues, they are set to 30 and the rest of the devices, get 50/60.

 

 

maybe just default to 1080p 60fps but have a giant note somewhere saying if your device is having problems please select 720p. 




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  #2291191 6-Aug-2019 20:33
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Talkiet:

 

Recorded on a Note 9 from a projector playing through an Nvidia Shield, Denon Amp and Sony VW-270ES projector. The difference is more dramatic in real life. (It is 1080P60 on youtube)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8z6zrE7vAE

 

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Well, other peoples mileage may vary, but in my eyes, that is changing from one type of hard to look at, to another. 

 

It's just distracting for a different reason.

 

This also potentially only solves it for people who have this technology on their devices, and secondly, have enough technical knowledge to know to enable or disable it. 

 

A better solution would be for Spark Sport to leave the higher frame rates on, and tell the small number of people affected who are having issues with it, to turn on 25/30fps in their Spark Sport App.

 

 


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  #2291194 6-Aug-2019 20:39
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Talkiet:

 

Recorded on a Note 9 from a projector playing through an Nvidia Shield, Denon Amp and Sony VW-270ES projector. The difference is more dramatic in real life. (It is 1080P60 on youtube)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8z6zrE7vAE

 

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I dont have such a function as I said earlier but that looks weird to me!  Something isn't quite right with the way its playing; it seems smoother but just as off... Perhaps its youtube as well rather than seeing it in the flesh... Just rather have 50/60 framerates back!  

 

I ahve asked Spark Sport officially what they recommend to do to solve the judderyness as a result of the change in framerate as clearly its Spark Sports issue to resolve... If they can't, and the EPL looks just as bad as the ICC footy did then I'm likely to have to cancel as I can't tolerate the poor framerates I've seen... hurts my eyes too much.  I'd rather not, but there wouldn't be much else that I could do.




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  #2291196 6-Aug-2019 20:40
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Talkiet:

 

Recorded on a Note 9 from a projector playing through an Nvidia Shield, Denon Amp and Sony VW-270ES projector. The difference is more dramatic in real life. (It is 1080P60 on youtube)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8z6zrE7vAE

 

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ah car racing. show something with a ball in flight.


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#2291197 6-Aug-2019 20:44
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Talkiet:

 

And this is what happens when someone tries to be positive here.

 

 

Oh good grief. Stop it already!

 

You posted a workaround, and I shared my personal experience with it. 

 

If you seriously can't understand why people are bent out of shape over this, then I honestly don't know what to tell you. 

 

Perhaps you could start by not taking this so personally.

 

 


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  #2291212 6-Aug-2019 21:11
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@talkiet at some point you need to start accepting that a) other people's experiences (especially paying customers) are also valid viewpoints and b) just because Spark made a decision it doesn't mean it's the right one.

 

Stomping out of the playground is really not the way of showing understanding of the problem.





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  #2291215 6-Aug-2019 21:17
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Talkiet:

 

Turn on frame creation, or Motionflow, or whatever your TV calls it.

 

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No harm in trying it. I have played around with the motion interpolation option on my Panasonic plasma ("Intelligent Frame Creation"). Personally though I found it counter-productive - the algorithm can only cope with so much delta between frames.

 

The smooth bits became even smoother, and the juddery bits became even more jarring :(


 
 
 

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What are the best devices for the best experience?

 

I've lent family my old Chromecast 1 as Spark noted Chromecast was supported for the RWC.

 

I'm also not sure if going out and buying something better is beneficial at this point as the old Chromecast is currently not going to be any worse than the latest and greatest....





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  #2291219 6-Aug-2019 21:22
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Apple TV if you have the budget and or inclination to go that way, or Shield TV if you are able to sideload the App. I wouldn't be Chromecasting as a first or second choice. For some it works well.


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  #2291220 6-Aug-2019 21:23
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What are the best devices for the best experience?

 

I've lent family my old Chromecast 1 as Spark noted Chromecast was supported for the RWC.

 

I'm also not sure if going out and buying something better is beneficial at this point as the old Chromecast is currently not going to be any worse than the latest and greatest....

 

 

and this is exactly why it wouldnt have been the right move to go oh btw, anything later than the gen 3 chromecast is nolonger supported.





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  #2291228 6-Aug-2019 21:41
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hio77:

 

mentalinc:

 

What are the best devices for the best experience?

 

I've lent family my old Chromecast 1 as Spark noted Chromecast was supported for the RWC.

 

I'm also not sure if going out and buying something better is beneficial at this point as the old Chromecast is currently not going to be any worse than the latest and greatest....

 

 

and this is exactly why it wouldnt have been the right move to go oh btw, anything later than the gen 3 chromecast is nolonger supported.

 

 

I am honestly not trying to harrang you here, but surely this would affect considerably less people in a less serious manner, than cutting the frame rate by half, for everyone else?

 

I mean, all the people with under performing internet connections are going to struggle and if they want a good streaming experience they upgrade that, why is this any different? A $30 device doesn't seem out of reach to too many people in all honesty.

 

 


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But I dont get it.

 

Say if you have a 1st gen chromecast and stream something from youtube that has a 60fps option, it'll cast to the chromecast but it'll only playback on the tv around 1080/720p 30fps. 

 

It will auto select the video stream appropriate for the hardware.

 

I don't get why they're disabling high frame rates altogether .


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ALTRON:

But I dont get it.


Say if you have a 1st gen chromecast and stream something from youtube that has a 60fps option, it'll cast to the chromecast but it'll only playback on the tv around 1080/720p 30fps. 


It will auto select the video stream appropriate for the hardware.


I don't get why they're disabling high frame rates altogether .



I'm not sure how Chromecast works but YouTube could be special or maybe the video player Spark are using doesn't support it. I think it's provided by the company that they contract the platform from. I don't remember their name.

From the brief interaction I have had with Chromecast I think the android device sends a link to a webpage for the Chromecast to view that has an HTML 5 video player included in it. There may not be the APIs available to tell what the device can support.

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  #2291236 6-Aug-2019 21:55
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Twitch also manages to cast things when the broadcaster is sending 60FPS to them, so its not an old chromecasts cant be catered for type problem.





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have an idea. hardcode default 1080 30 fps, with an option to enable 60fps?


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