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#839927 19-Jun-2013 22:32

Well if telecom jumps in the picture and starts to offer unmetered feeds this becomes a whole new ball game no pun intended

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#839929 19-Jun-2013 22:33

If it was rugby, it would be a national outrage, and be a front page story. Maybe people should vote with their feet and boycott it. I mean if noone signs up for it, the people who bid for the rights will hardly bid for it again, if they make a loss on it, and then sky may get it back next year?

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#839931 19-Jun-2013 22:35

JimmyH: However, as I suspect is the case for many GZers, I am also the default technical support guy for the family. I have elderly relatives who still can't cope with switching TV inputs from the DVD player to the satellite box and back again. I have to (literally) write down instructions including pictures of which buttons to press etc in a notebook for them. Then I still have to provide phone support when they forget how, get confused, or press a button on the TV remote that does something random and they can't get the news back, or get a rain fade message or whatever.

I *dread* getting into a position where for them to see what they want I will have to explain all this to them, cable and connect multiple decoders to their telly, buy them a computer or other device for streaming, and set up broadband and streaming etc as well. It would quickly become a nightmare for them and for me. We tend to forget that what is easy and straightforward for us isn't for some folks. I have only just finishing ensuring that one of them will even have a working telly after the digital switch over, and they are still confused about why they had to change things around.

Luckily, none of them are interested in the EPL. Had this been rugby or tennis I would already be having to figure out solutions for two other households. Actually, it's more likely I would be hiding under my bed with the lights out and not answering the phone............

+1. Made me laugh. There is an Oatmeal cartoon on a similar point.

We are a footballing family, so I suspect I will be carrying out many of the same tasks. I take some solace in the near ubiquity of notebook HDMI connectors though. For most in my family, it will be enough that it is on the big screen and reasonably smooth. (Admittedly small) things that would annoy me in my set up (... but WHY won't it run in full screen by default... that cursor takes THREE SECONDS to disappear... there's a lag when I press the remote button) won't be any skin of their noses.

Quite a few people have raised the point of competition though. IMHO, this isn't competition. Competition would be if Sky and Colliseum (or whichever 2+ other providers you care to name), had the SAME games and were therefore competing on price, coverage, services, commentary etc. And I would gladly pay any price not to have to listen to Tommy Smyth-with-a-y and his ilk. As it stands, if you want to watch rugby and football (or even all football, if you count the other competitions), you will need to pay both providers. We were in the UK a few years back on the OE when Sky and Setanta were "competing". This meant that they carved the games up between them. And you could guarantee that whichever game you wanted to watch was on the other provider. Pubs etc. inevitably ended up subscribing to both.

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#839939 19-Jun-2013 22:42

DS9: I makes me laugh, we have moved from a monopoly supplier of multiple sport content to a single sport content monopoly and no-one sees the problem with this. I love the Saints but I will not be paying for this as I am now used to watching on a 55" TV and going back to a 19" monitor seems a backward step.

P.S. i have read a lot of posts but maybe not all.

I'm just impressed that the other Saints fan in NZ is also on Geekzone.

I'm probably just going to can Sky Sport and subscribe to Saints TV.

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#839946 19-Jun-2013 22:51

I hear the comments about competition. But that is what it is. The common comment is Sky has a monopoly. It can buy more content as it is not free to air. That's why it has more content. Its pay tv. Now, someone said there is another monopoly? That cannot be right, you cannot have two monopolies. Its not even a duopoly. Its competition. If there was a headline saying Sky outbid this new Colliseum, new kid on the block, then I am sure many will be running down Sky. The problem is TV, prime TV, is not like a product that competing retailers sell. The TV product is generally in one place, that's where they (EPL, Rugger, etc, etc )get the value, that's why the TV network provider pays the money. Otherwise EPL etc is consumable if everyone can get it to their network. Therein lies the problem. It will resolve itself, providing TV is not regulated. If EPL is too much for many to pay, as many wont ditch Sky, the revenue will show its not viable. The big bid wont happen next time. Maybe a smaller bid, with Sky having a big but not so big bid to allow some non exclusivity. The issue is the owners of the content want the BIG money, I see Sky or Colliseum as being caught in the middle.

Just my thoughts.

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#839949 19-Jun-2013 22:54

Doing this will make the EPL so much less accessible if it's internet only. Not that many people have a connection capable of streaming at 720p for that period of time. Also considering the messing around likely required (plugins etc) I see people just not bothering! I have no interest in the EPL, but find the move mind boggling.

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#839952 19-Jun-2013 22:57

Also remember that this is a 3 year license so Sky cannot bid for it for another 3 years unless they either come to an agreement with the rights licensee OR the current licensee fails due to lack of demand.

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#839954 19-Jun-2013 23:00

it will be a bit messy that you have EPL by one provider and Champions league by another provider.

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#839956 19-Jun-2013 23:03

Consequence of the contents rights holders dictating how many providers are in a country. I'd imagine the EPL have said one per country and the highest wins...

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#839998 20-Jun-2013 07:33

And this mornings article on it:

While homes with ultra-fast broadband would have no issues watching matches, an industry source questioned whether those with ADSL connections would be able to receive high-definition (HD) content. HD required a download speed of five megabytes a second, while the ADSL download speed was about 4.5mb/s.

So what is this 4.5mb/s
Surely most of the country can get 10mb/s by now..... (Master filter must be stated of course)/
Would be a perfect chance to mention VDSL as well surely....

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#840013 20-Jun-2013 08:16

mentalinc: And this mornings article on it:

While homes with ultra-fast broadband would have no issues watching matches, an industry source questioned whether those with ADSL connections would be able to receive high-definition (HD) content. HD required a download speed of five megabytes a second, while the ADSL download speed was about 4.5mb/s.

So what is this 4.5mb/s
Surely most of the country can get 10mb/s by now..... (Master filter must be stated of course)/
Would be a perfect chance to mention VDSL as well surely....

Thing to also consider is not everyone in NZ can use ADSL/Cable/UFB. There are a lot of people out there who use Satellite for example and having a quick look at Farmside's website their biggest datacap is 7gb. One game in HD (if it can handle it) would wreck a good part of the datacap in one shot. At least if it were on Sky then its available anywhere in NZ that can see Optus D1 in HD.
Really have to hope IMO that these guys are negotiating with Telcos to have this unmetered else it will get very expensive.

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#840030 20-Jun-2013 08:43

Benoire:
ashnizzle: how so? $12.50 a month on a normal season pass for all you can watch football and on demand?

its not going to be a issue for me in terms of broadband ufb and have a decent data cap

You're right its not if your simply after football, but for those that like watching the other sports it all starts to add up badly.

I really do wonder about their market though... Without a dedicated box, or over the air ability I can't imagine they'll catch the numbers they need to make it viable?

I'll be buying it, despite thinking it's a rip off. Liverpool is an addiction, it's in the blood.

However I don't see enough people doing this. I reckon they won't see out the season before Sky jumps in takes over.

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#840038 20-Jun-2013 08:58

I hope so Kop, as I want my football but I am not willing to pay for both sports and this given the family is on one income! What has happened is that we have swapped one monopoly for another, there is no choice and I'd rather have it distributed via normal means WITH online as an addition or seperate package then have it online only.

EDIT: As a note, I recorded the ICC cricket last night and the bit rate indicated in Windows including audio was just over 9mbps, 3x that offered by the consortium.

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#840040 20-Jun-2013 08:59

KopKiwi

The true fanatics will probably purchase it. The average fan will weigh it up and decide on price taking into account that the total cost maybe way more than just the $150.

In deciding wether to take it up things that will affect people's decisions is that as it is a online package then what connection issues do I have, will I get the picture quality I want, If the picture quality is not that good then why not just get it from elsewhere. If I am a Chelsea fan and don't mind a delay then I can just watch chelsea TV on Sommet Sports. Or if a fan of another team I can wait to watch it on their TV site.

But the biggest problem the new company will have is churn, those that brought it this year but due to many reasons such as picture quality, not actually using it as much as they thought, extra expense involved etc decide not to renew. I think this is what will kill them in the end or make them do a deal with SKY to be a full terrestrial onseller much like is done in the US or with Setanta sports on FOXTEL in Australia.

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#840055 20-Jun-2013 09:05

Jas777: KopKiwi

The true fanatics will probably purchase it. The average fan will weigh it up and decide on price taking into account that the total cost maybe way more than just the $150.

In deciding wether to take it up things that will affect people's decisions is that as it is a online package then what connection issues do I have, will I get the picture quality I want, If the picture quality is not that good then why not just get it from elsewhere. If I am a Chelsea fan and don't mind a delay then I can just watch chelsea TV on Sommet Sports. Or if a fan of another team I can wait to watch it on their TV site.

But the biggest problem the new company will have is churn, those that brought it this year but due to many reasons such as picture quality, not actually using it as much as they thought, extra expense involved etc decide not to renew. I think this is what will kill them in the end or make them do a deal with SKY to be a full terrestrial onseller much like is done in the US or with Setanta sports on FOXTEL in Australia.

As an aside how easy would it be to get foxtel viewers choice online? From all accounts that's pretty good and they have an app too

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