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#3031659 4-Feb-2023 10:24

This so called password sharing will effect my granddaughter who for the past 4 years has lived with us but as we're moving to Tauranga and she is still going to school for Year 13 she has moved in with her sister in Hamilton. She has used my password over there for the past month after she moved in. As a student she won't be paying $20 / month for the service unless I pay extra for her to use my account.

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#3031682 4-Feb-2023 11:00

networkn:

Seemed pretty clear to me. Never in a million years would I have assumed that implicitly encouraging sharing your NF password meant giving it to my aunt's boyfriends nieces flatmate who lives in a different city or country.. That's just... taking the piss.

how many netflix shares do you own, mate? 😁

i am against this type of password sharing myself.

however this is not the case for all. there's a few of us here paying for 4 simultaneous streams, using less than that. if i only use 2 streams, will my subscription price halve? if that's the case, i'll pay that $5 extra for my in-laws' use. it'd still be cheaper for me. heck if there is a 2-stream 4k/uhd subscription at half the price of the current 4-stream, i'd pay for another subscription for my in-laws use.

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#3031691 4-Feb-2023 11:34

ajw:

https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/netflixs-password-sharing-crackdown-already-feels-like-a-disaster-and-it-hasnt-launched-yet

From that article "Netflix is now asking users to connect to the Wi-Fi at your primary location, open the Netflix app or website, and watch something at least once every 31 days."

Might not be in final rules, but when home why would anyone watch on their cell phone, when there would be bigger screens to watch on. I do watch some programs on cell phone in break at work. If it was just logging in on that device at home would be a lot better.

The ones that share to reduce cost will have to make a decision, but can still cost share if they do the $5? For a second location.

People canceling won’t change their final decision, I canceled over the last price increase. As I don’t share with anyone was hit with full price increase. Price never came down, but maybe enough canceled that they are wary about doing to soon another price increase so are looking at this method to increase revenue instead.

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#3031718 4-Feb-2023 12:32

nitro:

how many netflix shares do you own, mate? 😁

Don't be a dick. I own none.

however this is not the case for all. there's a few of us here paying for 4 simultaneous streams, using less than that. if i only use 2 streams, will my subscription price halve? if that's the case, i'll pay that $5 extra for my in-laws' use. it'd still be cheaper for me. heck if there is a 2-stream 4k/uhd subscription at half the price of the current 4-stream, i'd pay for another subscription for my in-laws use.

You are paying for 4 simultaneous streams within your physical household according to how Netflix has chosen to define it's sharing moving forward. If you don't like it, unsubscribe.

Your inlaws are being offered 100% of the library and services for 25% of the cost. That's an incredible value. Disagree? Unsubscribe. It's simple.

In reality, there is going to be a lot of gnashing of teeth and then people will just move on. Some will steal content and try and justify it by saying they got ripped off by Netflix to the tune of $5 extra a month. A small number of people will unsubscribe, the number of streams per subscriber will drop, and the world will continue to spin. IF the impact of this is that Netflix loses a bunch of money, they will be forced to meet the market or perish.

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#3031757 4-Feb-2023 14:51

I’m trying to understand the impact if it happens here. Netflix premium, four people in household and we usually go to our Bach every couple of weeks. This implies I will have to pay extra to use at my Bach?

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#3031764 4-Feb-2023 15:18

BuzzLightyear: I’m trying to understand the impact if it happens here. Netflix premium, four people in household and we usually go to our Bach every couple of weeks. This implies I will have to pay extra to use at my Bach?

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#3031782 4-Feb-2023 16:12

networkn:

Don't be a dick. I own none.

missed the smiley there? that was in jest. don't know why you've taken it upon yourself to stick up for netflix.

there are valid points being raised here and all you can say is "disagree? unsubscribe."

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#3031791 4-Feb-2023 16:52

networkn:
BuzzLightyear: I’m trying to understand the impact if it happens here. Netflix premium, four people in household and we usually go to our Bach every couple of weeks. This implies I will have to pay extra to use at my Bach?

No.

With the proposed scheme it’s possible you would do. It depends on how you are watching.

The proposed scheme I saw said each device had to be at the ”home location” every 31 days. I guess this will be the home ip but no one really knows.

If you’re watching Netflix on a tv at the Bach then I guess you won’t be carting it back to your home location. There’s also been reports of being able to apply for a code to unblock a device for 7 days but once again no one really knows.

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#3031798 4-Feb-2023 17:13

nitro:

missed the smiley there? that was in jest. don't know why you've taken it upon yourself to stick up for netflix.

there are valid points being raised here and all you can say is "disagree? unsubscribe."

Because that is how I see this change? Valid enough reason. People are complaining because that's how they feel. I've made my reasons quite clear, they are just as valid as any complaints.

Literally, your only option if you don't like what Netflix is offering, is to suck it up, or unsubscribe. They aren't going to change their mind any time soon, and even if they do, it's likely a modification rather than a complete walk back. Even worse, complaining on GZ isn't even going to be visible to them. Perhaps email the CEO to make a case?

Companies from time to time will change the terms of their sale agreement, which is what is happening. They aren't in business to benefit you, they are there to make a profit, and they obviously feel their profit is being impinged upon by significant numbers of people operating outside of how they consider reasonable. I am quite confident in the reverse situation, most the people here complaining, would not be happy to let a significant number of people access or use services they operate at a cost, for free. Again, how many services can you think of where if a second household wanted access to 100% of the services on offer, would be doing so at 25%. You'd be paying 100%.

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#3031800 4-Feb-2023 17:18

Handle9:

With the proposed scheme it’s possible you would do. It depends on how you are watching.

The proposed scheme I saw said each device had to be at the ”home location” every 31 days. I guess this will be the home ip but no one really knows.

If you’re watching Netflix on a tv at the Bach then I guess you won’t be carting it back to your home location. There’s also been reports of being able to apply for a code to unblock a device for 7 days but once again no one really knows.

I see this as a way to crack down on excessive sharing, not a way to punish the primary account holder for legitimate use. I'd consider the primary account holder viewing at the bach as legitimate. It's possible they may modify the scheme depending on how much collateral damage occurs.

It's a wait-and-see thing I guess.

I think it will likely be a device ID thing.

I got an email today talking about extra features of Premium they are giving for free. Now you can watch offline on 6 rather than 4 devices, and they are expanding their surround audio offering.

The news isn't all bad :)

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#3031828 4-Feb-2023 17:45

networkn:
nitro:

missed the smiley there? that was in jest. don't know why you've taken it upon yourself to stick up for netflix.

there are valid points being raised here and all you can say is "disagree? unsubscribe."

Because that is how I see this change? Valid enough reason. People are complaining because that's how they feel. I've made my reasons quite clear, they are just as valid as any complaints.

Literally, your only option if you don't like what Netflix is offering, is to suck it up, or unsubscribe. They aren't going to change their mind any time soon, and even if they do, it's likely a modification rather than a complete walk back. Even worse, complaining on GZ isn't even going to be visible to them. Perhaps email the CEO to make a case?

Companies from time to time will change the terms of their sale agreement, which is what is happening. They aren't in business to benefit you, they are there to make a profit, and they obviously feel their profit is being impinged upon by significant numbers of people operating outside of how they consider reasonable. I am quite confident in the reverse situation, most the people here complaining, would not be happy to let a significant number of people access or use services they operate at a cost, for free. Again, how many services can you think of where if a second household wanted access to 100% of the services on offer, would be doing so at 25%. You'd be paying 100%.

Thanks.
I have Apple TV’s at home and bach so it will be a problem.

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#3031958 4-Feb-2023 20:34

nitro:

however this is not the case for all. there's a few of us here paying for 4 simultaneous streams, using less than that. if i only use 2 streams, will my subscription price halve? if that's the case, i'll pay that $5 extra for my in-laws' use. it'd still be cheaper for me. heck if there is a 2-stream 4k/uhd subscription at half the price of the current 4-stream, i'd pay for another subscription for my in-laws use.

The Netflix accounts don't scale well at all, the way they jump from 2 HD streams to 4 4K streams is a 8 times increase in potential data transfer for them if you were using them all at once. Personally we only ever use a single stream but like having HD so have access to two. I'd love to get the 4K bundle but can't justify that outlay unless we did password sharing that I can't be bothered with arranging.

I don't think they'll lose all their customers from this but think it will allow them to scale back how much data they are serving up and many might downgrade. Anyone password sharing is likely on the 4K plan so if they can't do that I think many will elect to downgrade to the HD plan and limit themselves to two steeams which could potentially save Netflix up to 75% of their data output for only a 25% hit on revenue. I know their money also has to go on procuring and making content not just data throughout but that's a sizeable reduction in load in their equipment and connections.

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#3032251 5-Feb-2023 16:37

everettpsycho:

The Netflix accounts don't scale well at all, the way they jump from 2 HD streams to 4 4K streams is a 8 times increase in potential data transfer for them if you were using them all at once. Personally we only ever use a single stream but like having HD so have access to two. I'd love to get the 4K bundle but can't justify that outlay unless we did password sharing that I can't be bothered with arranging.

I don't think they'll lose all their customers from this but think it will allow them to scale back how much data they are serving up and many might downgrade. Anyone password sharing is likely on the 4K plan so if they can't do that I think many will elect to downgrade to the HD plan and limit themselves to two steeams which could potentially save Netflix up to 75% of their data output for only a 25% hit on revenue. I know their money also has to go on procuring and making content not just data throughout but that's a sizeable reduction in load in their equipment and connections.

I doubt that reducing peak throughput is a major, or even signficant, driver for this.

They colócate their servers at many ISPs so AFAIK the last leg data cost is generally unchanged for them i.e. free. Their data cost is probably just refreshing/updating their server/library, authorisations and updating customer status and usage statistics.

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#3032837 7-Feb-2023 13:38

I'm still not entirely sure how they'll manage this.

Netflix has said it will use information such as IP addresses, device IDs, and account activity from the devices signed into an account to determine whether or not a device is associated with a household...

Device IDs makes sense, but most consumers are on dynamic IPs or CGNAT, so the public IP address can't really be reliably used to identify if they're "at home".

...require users to connect to the Wi-Fi at their primary location, open the Netflix app or website, and watch something at least once every 31 days on any device associated with their account to avoid getting blocked.

How is the primary Wi-Fi location determined? Could it possibly be as simple as the SSID, surely that would make bypassing it too easy?

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#3032838 7-Feb-2023 13:55

What about services like GamsGo, they sell the individual user slots for lots of different services, I'm sharing a Disney account with people from 5 different countries.

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