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#2596003 1-Nov-2020 20:57

Batman:

Sports can carry on in UK https://www.goal.com/en/news/premier-league-to-continue-despite-new-uk-lockdown-confirms/1mw6ckr8l0bvi1kk2s4cfigum0

Yes... But some are trying to minimise people on the field, with unintended consequences...

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#2596024 1-Nov-2020 22:49

No local cases in Australia 'yesterday' - for first time since June.

https://covidlive.com.au/ (page will reinitialise to tomorrows tally overnight)

STATE CASES OSEAS NET
Victoria 20,346 0
New South Wales 4,425 4 4
Queensland 1,172 1 1
Western Australia 769 1 1
South Australia 501 0
Tasmania 230 0
ACT 114 0
NT 38 0
Australia 27,595 6 6

(as reported at 8pm, 1 Nov 2020, NZ time. Daily reporting times vary by state)
Edit: apologies for the messy tabulation (is there a simple way to post a table on GZ?)

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#2596047 1-Nov-2020 23:29

Sideface:

In our Wellington street, Halloween was much quieter than usual last night.

The children seemed to avoid any house that didn't display Halloween decorations.

Is this a COVID effect?

They were out and about a lot in my town. No different from normal. Covid is a distant memory for many in NZ until it resurfaces again.

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#2596049 1-Nov-2020 23:42

freitasm:

"Boris Johnson announces four-week national Covid lockdown in England"

A second national lockdown will be imposed across England from midnight on Thursday with all nonessential shops, restaurants, pubs and leisure facilities to close for at least four weeks, Boris Johnson has said.

The prime minister dramatically escalated the country’s response to the pandemic in a press conference on Saturday evening, telling the public that “we must act now to contain this autumn surge”, with measures due to remain in place until 2 December.

People have been told to “stay at home” where possible, but will be allowed to leave their homes for education, medical appointments, to shop for essential goods, and to work if they cannot work from home.

Outdoor exercise will also be permitted, with members of the same household or one person from another household.

People leaving home to care for vulnerable people, or to escape injury or harm, will be exempt from the rules. Takeaways and deliveries will continue to be allowed.

So not quite New Zealand's COVID Alert Level 4 but a Level 3.5 - education being and work (which doesn't seem to be essential only) the biggest problems I see here.

They knew quite a while ago that they needed to go into lockdown, but they delayed it. They could see from the graph that it was getting bad, and now there are going to be mass deaths. People over there have told me that people are now ignoring social distancing, and it is bleak, so this lockdown was needed. The question is when they will come back out of it. I wonder if they will try to do a Victoria, and remain in lockdown for months to get to almost no new cases. They made the same error of delaying the lockdown. But if England are keeping schools open, which are where it gets spread, then the lockdown will only slow it down, but not as much as it could be. I suspect this won't be the last lockdown for England before a vaccine. It suspect they will have at least a 3rd wave, maybe a 4th or 5th.

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#2596083 2-Nov-2020 08:22

New York Times: Regeneron says it will stop enrolling seriously ill Covid-19 patients in its antibody trials.

Regeneron Pharmaceuticals will no longer give antibody treatments to hospitalized patients in advanced stages of Covid-19.

The drug maker Regeneron said on Friday that it would stop enrolling very sick people in a trial of its antibody treatment in hospitalized patients with Covid-19, in another sign that the treatments appear to not work well in patients who have advanced forms of the disease.

The company said that an outside panel of experts had recommended that people who required high-flow oxygen or mechanical ventilation not be given the antibody treatment because the risks outweighed the benefits. But it said patients who were hospitalized but not as sick — those who needed either no or low-flow oxygen — could continue in the trial.

Earlier this week, Eli Lilly announced that hospitalized patients in one of its trials would no longer receive its antibody treatment after a similar finding that the therapy did not appear effective.

The news added further evidence to the theory that monoclonal antibodies work best when given to people early in the course of the disease, soon after they have been infected. This week, Regeneron released new data from a separate trial of outpatients that found that the treatment significantly reduced levels of the virus and the need for medical visits, and Eli Lilly has published similar results.

[A world leader] received Regeneron’s antibody treatment shortly after he tested positive for the virus.

Both Regeneron and Eli Lilly have applied to the Food and Drug Administration for emergency use of their antibodies in outpatients, and Regeneron said Friday’s news did not affect its study of the treatment in that group.

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#2596136 2-Nov-2020 09:46

not sure if it's any good, but interesting nonetheless

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#2596166 2-Nov-2020 11:13

mattwnz:

They were out and about a lot in my town. No different from normal. Covid is a distant memory for many in NZ until it resurfaces again.

we haven't had a case in the community since April 9th, so it is a distant memory.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2596169 2-Nov-2020 11:21

3rd consecutive "Doughnut" day in Victoria... if NSW can stamp on the small cluster they have then OZ's internal and potentially T/Tasman borders could be open for Xmas,

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#2596171 2-Nov-2020 11:28

Sideface:

In our Wellington street, Halloween was much quieter than usual last night.

I did wonder about un-wrapped lollies . Were parents avoiding lollies that werent individually wrapped ?

I didnt see as many wandering the streets this this year. Im down a long(ish) driveway , so they hardly ever come to my house regardless .

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#2596184 2-Nov-2020 11:49

Sideface:

In our Wellington street, Halloween was much quieter than usual last night.

The children seemed to avoid any house that didn't display Halloween decorations.

Is this a COVID effect?

In Wellington it was pretty foul weather thou, gale force winds, mist in the hills, generally pretty crappy to be out in...

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#2596190 2-Nov-2020 12:00

Who the hell celebrates Halloween? Isn't that another American commercial scam?

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#2596203 2-Nov-2020 12:41

Rikkitic:

Who the hell celebrates Halloween? Isn't that another American commercial scam?

It's almost like people can do what they want or something.

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#2596213 2-Nov-2020 13:18

Rikkitic:

Who the hell celebrates Halloween? Isn't that another American commercial scam?

much like Guy Fawkes , Xmas, Easter, Valentines, Mother & Fathers day . All just commercialized to sell stuff
Why celebrate a terrorist with guy fawkes day ?

getting things back on topic
cough cough :-)

Anyone else with hayfever feeling self conscious/ embarrassed going out & about with allergy sniffles , sneezing fits & watering eyes.
Havnt had sneezing fits recently, but do get temporary symptoms from hay fever (disappears if I leave that location)

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#2596216 2-Nov-2020 13:29

1101:eling self conscious/ embarrassed going out & about with allergy sniffles , sneezing fits & watering eyes.
Havnt had sneezing fits recently, but do get temporary symptoms from hay fever (disappears if I leave that location)

Certainly an increase in public sneezing. But it's getting more accepted.. AS LONG AS they're doing it responsibly and not showering everything/making effort to go back to a wash basin or dispenser :)

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#2596220 2-Nov-2020 13:48

mattwnz:

They knew quite a while ago that they needed to go into lockdown, but they delayed it. They could see from the graph that it was getting bad, and now there are going to be mass deaths. People over there have told me that people are now ignoring social distancing, and it is bleak, so this lockdown was needed. The question is when they will come back out of it. I wonder if they will try to do a Victoria, and remain in lockdown for months to get to almost no new cases. They made the same error of delaying the lockdown. But if England are keeping schools open, which are where it gets spread, then the lockdown will only slow it down, but not as much as it could be. I suspect this won't be the last lockdown for England before a vaccine. It suspect they will have at least a 3rd wave, maybe a 4th or 5th.

If they want it to work the way people here and overseas say a lockdown is needed to combat the virus then it will have to be until a vaccine, the virus goes away or mutates to like the normal flu etc.

So for that to happen you are looking at a 6 month + long lockdown.

1 or 2 months will just delay it and have to do all over again.

Unlike here or Australia stopping people with it from other parts of the world is so much more difficult that you can't really stop it.

So you have to offset the increase in suicides, murders, domestic violence, assaults, and the long term mental health issues especially amongst children with what type of lockdown you want.

Is stopping someone who is 85 from living another 2 or 3 years worth it against a 10 year old child who has 50 years of mental health issues.?

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