2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2603391 13-Nov-2020 15:26

Dec/Jan/Feb are going to be dark times for the US, very likely to be 200-300k+ dead with current infection numbers and mortality rate going up as hospitals are overwhelmed for extended periods. Sad to watch it going on.

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#2603401 13-Nov-2020 15:39

It doesn't help the US that Trump is not acting correctly and blocking Joe Biden's team attempts to collect information for a transition - this will affect anti covid-19 efforts a great deal.

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#2603402 13-Nov-2020 15:42

when i was President, only had 200k deaths, when i handed over, they caused 2 mil deaths - that's the whole covid strategy / plan unfortunately.

meanwhile we are testing over here ... let's hope we find everything we need to find

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#2603411 13-Nov-2020 15:49

vexxxboy:

i will say it again, not everyone has a mobile phone and if it was compulsory how many people will just pretend to scan it. People dont want to do it and no law will make them . Humans , go figure .

Even if it was law there is nothing stopping people from clearing the app data as soon as they are inside the store.

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#2603424 13-Nov-2020 16:15

Bravo2020:

vexxxboy:

i will say it again, not everyone has a mobile phone and if it was compulsory how many people will just pretend to scan it. People dont want to do it and no law will make them . Humans , go figure .

Even if it was law there is nothing stopping people from clearing the app data as soon as they are inside the store.

I think it’s more people can’t be bothered taking phone out of pocket rather then they don’t want to have list where they’ve been.
For the tin foil hats, yep they can delete entries, or if that’s blocked delete applic off phone entirely. I still think better records would be kept if scanning/signing in was made compulsory for entry to businesses.

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#2603447 13-Nov-2020 16:31

The percentage of people without a smart phone is quite small.

The Covid app has the most potential for bang per buck. You won't cover everyone but you do get access to a significant number of the population for relatively little effort.

However;

The developers need to pull finger and remove barriers to its use. Things like, having to sign back in after a given period of time, making it work with older versions of the OS etc.
Businesses need to be educated on the location of the QR code, appropriate height and not have it behind a shiny surface (glass or laminated pocket etc), and have the QR code in more than one easily accessible location. Some places like the local Mitre 10 Mega have done it very well.
The public need to be educated that it is just as critically important to scan when there are no known community cases as there is when there are known community cases.

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#2603448 13-Nov-2020 16:33

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vexxxboy:

so it looks like this new case is part of the defence cluster and not a unknown case , which is good news .

MoH appear to be working on the theory of there being "direct" transmission between case A and the new one.... but they haven't got the method of transmission yet

This just proves how much they depend on people scanning and recording trips. Yet they are still dragging their feet on making it mandatory. I suspect if it was, then they may have found the link. At the moment, there could be other cases spreading it. They look to be slowing moving in the right direction today with announcements on scanning and masks, and requiring masks on public transport...but it is slow and painful.

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#2603450 13-Nov-2020 16:37

Technofreak:

The percentage of people without a smart phone is quite small.

The Covid app has the most potential for bang per buck. You won't cover everyone but you do get access to a significant number of the population for relatively little effort.

However;

The developers need to pull finger and remove barriers to its use. Things like, having to sign back in after a given period of time, making it work with older versions of the OS etc.
Businesses need to be educated on the location of the QR code, appropriate height and not have it behind a shiny surface (glass or laminated pocket etc), and have the QR code in more than one easily accessible location. Some places like the local Mitre 10 Mega have done it very well.
The public need to be educated that it is just as critically important to scan when there are no known community cases as there is when there are known community cases.

Apparently the rippl app will automatically detect where you have visited, without needing to scan in. Anyone know more on this?

The official app logging people out is still a huge complaint I hear with the offical app, and you need an internet connection to log back in, and many people don't use mobile data, just wifi.

Mask wearing also is supposed to have a big effect on the speed at which it spreads. Yet I can't believe that we still don't have mandatory masks on public transport throughout NZ. I do wonder how many people are now avoiding public transport. Luckily we are such a big user of cars in NZ, as I think that has helped prevent it spreading as much.

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#2603479 13-Nov-2020 17:03

mattwnz: ...

Apparently the rippl app will automatically detect where you have visited, without needing to scan in. Anyone know more on this?

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Fairly certain that is not correct. Certainly does not show in the history on a users phone.

Just simpler to set up (no registration required, no logging in). And has check out function so have a record of duration at a site, not just check in time (assuming remember to check out - not that difficult when get used to it). Easily scans the official QR codes.

But not clear if it is fully tied in with MOH alerts, or how diligent rippl are themselves in issuing alerts?

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#2603482 13-Nov-2020 17:10

DS248:

mattwnz: ...

Apparently the rippl app will automatically detect where you have visited, without needing to scan in. Anyone know more on this?

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Fairly certain that is not correct. Certainly does not show in the history on a users phone.

Just simpler to set up (no registration required, no logging in). And has check out function so have a record of duration at a site, not just check in time (assuming remember to check out - not that difficult when get used to it). Easily scans the official QR codes.

But not clear if it is fully tied in with MOH alerts, or how diligent rippl are themselves in issuing alerts?

I was looking in the rippl app and couldn't find any setting to enable it. But google seems to do automatic checkins when you go to places, so I wonder how difficult that would be to implement into an app. IMO it could be a game changer for our contact tracing to just have it automatically recording places as you visit them, as well as manually scanning. Likewise gamifying it to encourage more people to use it, with prizes etc.

It is such an important part of us staying in level 1-2 to have everyones paths being recorded, yet many people just aren't doing it. Yes we get spikes each time there is a new incursion, but that doesn't last.

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#2603483 13-Nov-2020 17:12

Further the my previous reply, work is currently being done on this ... very slowly it seems! Started back in July and "The Ministry anticipates this work will be complete by the end of December 2020" (9 Nov update)

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-resources-and-tools/nz-covid-tracer-app/integrating-nz-covid-tracer-other-contact-tracing-apps

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#2603486 13-Nov-2020 17:14

nzkiwiman:

How many wake up calls do we need in this country before things are actually done?

Masks should be compulsory on all public transport; scanning the QR code needs to be compulsory.

They are slowly, at a glacial pace, moving towards this. Everyone knows this has been needed for months, in order to preserve a level 1-2 life,and reduce the risk of future lockdowns. It is just common sense,as our contact tracing relies on it. So frustrating that we almost ended back in another lockdown as a result of this. The MOH calling people out for not doing scanning, when it isn't mandatory IMO is another clear sign that it should have been mandatory months ago.

Why spend all that money on a app and contact tracing systems, and then not make it mandatory, as it was only a matter of time before it would be?

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#2603490 13-Nov-2020 17:21

As for the current situation, they state that they do 'manually send push notification alerts when advised by the National Investigation'

https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1326346807425736704

"We will continue to manually send push notification alerts when advised by the National Investigation and Tracing Centre. New Zealanders using Rippl can be assured their scan history data will only be shared with the Ministry for contact tracing if they have given their consent. 15:11, 11 Nov 2020"

Also see https://paperkite.co.nz/blog/2020/11/rippl-integration-partner/

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#2603494 13-Nov-2020 17:27

Technofreak:

The percentage of people without a smart phone is quite small.

The Covid app has the most potential for bang per buck. You won't cover everyone but you do get access to a significant number of the population for relatively little effort.

However;

The developers need to pull finger and remove barriers to its use. Things like, having to sign back in after a given period of time, making it work with older versions of the OS etc.
Businesses need to be educated on the location of the QR code, appropriate height and not have it behind a shiny surface (glass or laminated pocket etc), and have the QR code in more than one easily accessible location. Some places like the local Mitre 10 Mega have done it very well.
The public need to be educated that it is just as critically important to scan when there are no known community cases as there is when there are known community cases.

I am part of a beta test group. The next version you don't have to login to use the app and scan codes.

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#2603495 13-Nov-2020 17:30

I thought they had already removed the requirement be logged in before you can scan? I still use the rippl app as I don't use mobile data, and got too frustrated with it logging me out each time it decided to do an app update. The rippl app is just simple and works and no login, but would be good if they did have some auto tracking functionality with GPS.

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