2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2612092 27-Nov-2020 23:06

mattwnz:
I wonder what the top epidemiologists say about it. I remember one of our top ones wasn't happy about the double bunking's for the fishing crews, and said that it was just luck the NZ hadn't had a more widespread outbreak from the incursions

Flippant guess btw. There's possibly enough room for all 55 or so to have a room each. But they may have players and support split. Or other such agreement.

The details aren't public. Just pieced together from media pressing the MoH for details.

Believe they did have an early release condition after day 12 to get to queenstown and stay their own bubble until all 14 sat out

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#2612093 27-Nov-2020 23:21

Batman:

Gurezaemon:

For language geeks out there:

Pfizer vaccine: effective, protective and safe.
Moderna vaccine: effective, protective and safe.
Oxford vaccine: effective, protective, and safe.

what about

-Sputnik V
-Sinovac
-Johnson & Johnson

Woooooooosh......

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#2612108 28-Nov-2020 06:42

Along with the Chinese, I find it hard to completely trust the Russians.

The Siberian Times: Three medics ‘found to be infected with Covid-19 after Sputnik V vaccination’

Local health officials claim they likely caught the virus in the hours before they were vaccinated.

Three cases of Covid-19 were reported today among the Altai region healthcare workers who were vaccinated weeks earlier with Gam-COVID-Vac, trade-named Sputnik V.

42 medics received the vaccine produced by Moscow-based Gamaleya Institute at the end of September, with the regional chief epidemiologist Irina Pereladova being the first one to get the shot.

The second dose was injected on 14 of October, according to Sputnik V protocol.

A day prior to the vaccination all healthcare workers did Covid-19 tests which showed negative results, Irina Pereladova told Amic.ru news website, saying that it must mean that the volunteer medics got infected within 24 hours after doing the tests, and before getting the first dose. ...

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#2612134 28-Nov-2020 09:20

The fact that Putin hasn't taken the Sputnik V

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#2612148 28-Nov-2020 09:53

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Batman:

why haven't we sent them back? did they restart quarantine and reset to day 0?

Pretty much.

The 'norm' plan (this isn't the first, Australia, UK Netball, West Indies have all done it..) seems to have been to keep any inter-group transfer controllable. -

Arrive, Segregation (their own hotel). Test on arrival.

For first 3 days, isolation/confinement to mini-bubbles/pairs to ensure no transfer if any have encountered during journey. Strict food drop off and no mingling breaks etc

After 3 days, select bubbles expanded for fitness and training.

day ~12 tests. As long as all clear bubble expands. Closing on release

Now, despite arriving (via Singapore Tues presumably) they've essentially confined to rooms. 6 Isolated away. And I guess they'll be monitored for further transfer and won't be out until everyone has had their 14 days and produced a negative.

There will be some 'but we need to train together' pleas going on I bet.

I wonder what the hold up is sending them home then? NZ cricket seem to want it and think it should happen. Public opinion seems to be on NZ cricket's side to. Shouldn't matter if their on their final warning or not they broke the rules. I guess the government is probably weighing up whether or not now is the best time for an international incident. Deporting them would probably not be good for our relationship with Pakistan.

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#2612154 28-Nov-2020 10:25

Zepanda66:

I guess the government is probably weighing up whether or not now is the best time for an international incident.

Id say that's it. Might seem heavy handed. Wait a few days till it happens again or causes non cricket players to catch it form then, then they are gone with the worlds blessing.

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#2612520 29-Nov-2020 08:31

kingdragonfly: The Siberian Times: Three medics ‘found to be infected with Covid-19 after Sputnik V vaccination’

Local health officials claim they likely caught the virus in the hours before they were vaccinated.

Three cases of Covid-19 were reported today among the Altai region healthcare workers who were vaccinated weeks earlier with Gam-COVID-Vac, trade-named Sputnik V.

42 medics received the vaccine produced by Moscow-based Gamaleya Institute at the end of September, with the regional chief epidemiologist Irina Pereladova being the first one to get the shot.

The second dose was injected on 14 of October, according to Sputnik V protocol.

A day prior to the vaccination all healthcare workers did Covid-19 tests which showed negative results, Irina Pereladova told Amic.ru news website, saying that it must mean that the volunteer medics got infected within 24 hours after doing the tests, and before getting the first dose. ...

I'm not sure I completely understanding the timing.

I believe developing protective antibodies is not immediate, but generally within 14 days.

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#2612532 29-Nov-2020 09:22

Washington Post What you need to know about the AstraZeneca, Moderna and Pfizer vaccines

End of 2020: The government projects that Pfizer and Moderna will provide 40 million doses, enough for 20 million people, by the end of the year. AstraZeneca has said the first 4 million doses could be ready in December, and 40 million could be delivered in the first quarter of 2021.

When will an American be able to get vaccinated?

That depends on your job, your age and your health.

The vaccines could begin to be distributed as soon as mid-December to those in high-risk groups

...“I would say starting in April, May, June, July — as we get into the late spring and early summer — that people in the so-called [American] general population, who do not have underlying conditions or other designations that would make them priority, could get” shots, said Fauci...

How will the vaccines be shipped?

The AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine can be stored at refrigeration temperatures for up to 6 months, which will make it far easier to distribute and administer in much of the world.

The Moderna vaccine is stored frozen at minus-20 degrees Celsius, but it keeps for a month at refrigerator temperatures. This could make it easier to distribute to pharmacies and rural areas that don’t have specialized freezers.

The vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech must be kept at an ultracold, minus-70 degrees Celsius. The company has created its own GPS-tracked coolers filled with dry ice to distribute it.

How many doses will I need?

The AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine requires two doses, but the trial found that it was far more effective when the first dose was half the typical dose, with the second given a month later. It remains to be seen which dose the company will submit to regulators for clearance.

Both the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines also require two doses. Pfizer’s booster shot will be given three weeks after the first one; Moderna’s is spaced four weeks later.
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#2612546 29-Nov-2020 09:47

kingdragonfly:
kingdragonfly: The Siberian Times: Three medics ‘found to be infected with Covid-19 after Sputnik V vaccination’

Local health officials claim they likely caught the virus in the hours before they were vaccinated.

Three cases of Covid-19 were reported today among the Altai region healthcare workers who were vaccinated weeks earlier with Gam-COVID-Vac, trade-named Sputnik V.

42 medics received the vaccine produced by Moscow-based Gamaleya Institute at the end of September, with the regional chief epidemiologist Irina Pereladova being the first one to get the shot.

The second dose was injected on 14 of October, according to Sputnik V protocol.

A day prior to the vaccination all healthcare workers did Covid-19 tests which showed negative results, Irina Pereladova told Amic.ru news website, saying that it must mean that the volunteer medics got infected within 24 hours after doing the tests, and before getting the first dose. ...

I'm not sure I completely understanding the timing.

I believe developing protective antibodies is not immediate, but generally within 14 days.

If you confuse people just enough, they will generally believe you

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#2612651 29-Nov-2020 13:47

Any Vaccine trials will have to deal with issues of.

The Test and Fly problem,
Ok you test someone before you jab them, but test will have a threshold, so a % will be to early in infection to catch.
Never mind that threshold will vary depending on how good the test, lab system 'end to end' is and this varies country to country.

Two shot problem, someone gets infected between shots, if you test here you still have % with test and fly problem, to early in infection.

Time to full effect, someone gets infected before the immune system is fully primed, X days after shot anyway.

However for the final trials you may not want to eliminate this anyway as...

This will happen in real world in the final rollout anyway.
So in a way its important data. What happens milder infection etc.
I'm sure virologists will be champing to see the detail in data, on the severity of those infections etc.

It may also show, like with the seamen, countries with widespread virus, little testing, or ineffective testing, you still have infections.
The fact you are not reporting them does not mean they are not there, or risk is low.
In contradiction to popular belief :-)

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#2612740 29-Nov-2020 20:29

kingdragonfly: Along with the Chinese, I find it hard to completely trust the Russians.

The Siberian Times: Three medics ‘found to be infected with Covid-19 after Sputnik V vaccination’

Local health officials claim they likely caught the virus in the hours before they were vaccinated.

Three cases of Covid-19 were reported today among the Altai region healthcare workers who were vaccinated weeks earlier with Gam-COVID-Vac, trade-named Sputnik V.

42 medics received the vaccine produced by Moscow-based Gamaleya Institute at the end of September, with the regional chief epidemiologist Irina Pereladova being the first one to get the shot.

The second dose was injected on 14 of October, according to Sputnik V protocol.

A day prior to the vaccination all healthcare workers did Covid-19 tests which showed negative results, Irina Pereladova told Amic.ru news website, saying that it must mean that the volunteer medics got infected within 24 hours after doing the tests, and before getting the first dose. ...

I'm slightly confused as to why this is even news.

Russia quoted 95% efficacy (ie pretty much the same as the others). This means that during testing that for every 100 people given the vaccine that 5 still contracted Covid. Efficacy is NOT a measure of real world effectiveness, so given a random group of 42 people it would not be unexpected for 3 people to subsequently catch Covid.

Remember that the common influenza vaccine sits at around 50% efficacy.

Covid is going to be with us for years to come, and will have cases in NZ, just like we still get cases of other infectious diseases.

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#2612835 29-Nov-2020 21:48

The Guardian - A year after Wuhan alarm, China seeks to change Covid origin story [NO PAYWALL]

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Nearly a year after doctors identified the first cases of a worrying new disease in the Chinese city of Wuhan, the country appears to be stepping up a campaign to question the origins of the global Covid-19 pandemic.

State media has been reporting intensively on coronavirus discovered on packaging of frozen food imports, not considered a significant vector of infection elsewhere, and research into possible cases of the disease found outside China’s borders before December 2019.

The official People’s Daily newspaper claimed in a Facebook post last week that “all available evidence suggests that the coronavirus did not start in central China’s Wuhan”. ...

Claims that the virus had origins outside China are given little credence by western scientists. ...

China’s questioning of the origin of the virus in Wuhan might be more credible if it was supporting an independent investigation into the disease, but instead authorities have repeatedly proved obstructive. ...

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#2612852 29-Nov-2020 22:19

I think that's been the rhetoric from the start. But apparently dead people (died before covid in Wuhan in Dec 2019) have tested positive so technically they are not entirely wrong at this point in time?

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#2612867 29-Nov-2020 23:36

Here we go -> Preparation target date for Covid-19 public vaccination readiness: Dec, 15th 2020

(remark: this is for DE, for NZ I have no idea)

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#2612991 30-Nov-2020 07:24

Sideface:
The Guardian - A year after Wuhan alarm, China seeks to change Covid origin story

The Chinese may be great at manufacturing things at scale, but at manufacturing world-wide political spin, not so great.

By comparison, they make Fox News look subtle and nuanced.

US News and World Report: Researchers say study on COVID-19 in Italy does not dispute virus origins

"...The novel coronavirus was first identified in the central Chinese city of Wuhan in December. Italy's first COVID-19 patient was detected on Feb. 21 in a small town near Milan, in the northern region of Lombardy.

The Chinese government said on Tuesday it believed the study showed that tracing the origin of the virus was an ongoing process that may involve many countries.

But the Italian researchers said that's not necessarily their conclusion

'These findings simply document that the epidemic in China was not detected in time' ...."

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