2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2667378 3-Mar-2021 15:08

JaseNZ:

Perhaps they should have gone to level 4 shut it all down, no in and or outs.

Please no, they closed the golf courses.....

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#2667394 3-Mar-2021 15:44

freitasm:

And he urged his followers not to fear the virus.

“God said that no plague will come near your house: 'I will send angels to guard and look after those who are in the secret place with God'.

Like all these pseudo religions they take a religious text and miss quote or interpret it to suit their message.

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Psalm 91 - King James Version

He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.

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Brian and Hannah Tamaki fled Auckland so they could avoid the thousands falling by their side. (line 7)

The Tamaki's have really truncated and twisted the entire Psalm to 28 words. But this is what these Pentecostal churches do, all in the name of raising money for supposed good works and people (read their leaders). Do they have a private jet or two yet?

Faith is individualistic and immutable and incorruptible.
Religion is a social construct,
made by Man for Man to explain Faith,
therefore it is fallible.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2667395 3-Mar-2021 15:45

Police were called about this alleged "market" on the side of a Hobsonville street. Photo / Supplied
Not my picture - stolen from NZHerald, but man this makes me frustrated.

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#2667396 3-Mar-2021 15:47

Press release:

More than half of New Zealand’s estimated 12,000 border workforce have now received their first vaccinations, as a third batch of vaccines arrive in the country, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins says.

As of midnight Tuesday, a total of 9,431 people had received their first doses. More than 70 percent of those, which equates to 6,688 people, have been delivered in the Auckland region.

“We are well on our way to ensuring those who are most at risk of COVID-19, the cleaners, nurses who carry out health checks in MIQ, security staff, customs and border officials, hotel workers, airline staff, port authorities and vaccinators will be protected from this virus,” Chris Hipkins said.

“I’m also pleased to confirm that a third shipment of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines arrived safely yesterday afternoon, which adds a further 65,500 doses, bringing the total number of COVID-19 vaccines in New Zealand to 200,000.

“From here, we plan to ramp up the vaccination programme, as we move to vaccinate border worker’s families and household contacts. We will then move on to front line health and emergency staff – those people who may be exposed to COVID-19 while doing their jobs.”

Border worker’s families and household contacts will start to be vaccinated in earnest next week, but in some smaller regions, district health boards have already been able to expand their programmes to include these groups.

“In places like Nelson/Marlborough, the smaller workforce has meant both the border workers and their families have been vaccinated at the same time, with the same batch of doses. This is really good news as it means they will also be protected from the virus, and ahead of schedule.

“I look forward to this rolling out in our main centres from next week.”

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#2667399 3-Mar-2021 15:57

freitasm:

Press release:

“In places like Nelson/Marlborough, the smaller workforce has meant both the border workers and their families have been vaccinated at the same time, with the same batch of doses. This is really good news as it means they will also be protected from the virus, and ahead of schedule."

Who is arriving at our borders at the top of the SI? Genuine question as I thought the priority was Auckland airport and staff and the actual quarantine facilities in the main centers.

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#2667409 3-Mar-2021 16:17

cshwone:

Who is arriving at our borders at the top of the SI? Genuine question as I thought the priority was Auckland airport and staff and the actual quarantine facilities in the main centers.

Foreign shipping arriving at Port Nelson (and possibly smaller ports elsewhere in the region)

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#2667419 3-Mar-2021 16:22

I guess as they are still dealing with travelling to/from areas that may be exposed, they are classed as being of equal priority?

I would certainly hope that even within the border workforce, there are sub-priorities (front line staff in areas with international terminals, front line staff in other areas, office workers and then if they have any spare, perhaps management (not srs))

Maybe we should leave our politicians to the absolute last in the que.....

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#2667428 3-Mar-2021 16:34

Fred99:

cshwone:

Who is arriving at our borders at the top of the SI? Genuine question as I thought the priority was Auckland airport and staff and the actual quarantine facilities in the main centers.

Foreign shipping arriving at Port Nelson (and possibly smaller ports elsewhere in the region)

From a priority perspective I would have thought that those dealing with people who had traveled by air over a matter of hours rather than those arriving by sea over days if not weeks travelling would be the key.

From Stuff:

More than half of New Zealand’s 12,000 border workers have now received their first vaccination, Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said at Wednesday’s 1pm press conference.

That would imply to me we still have a major shortfall at the critical air entry points.

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#2667429 3-Mar-2021 16:37

tehgerbil:
Handle9:
In that scenario why would someone who had done something wrong cooperate with contact tracing or even get tested?

Uhm. That ship has sailed. People are already not cooperating, they're already not getting tested and now they're doing it with impunity.

We're being told: "Punishing the rule breakers will cause more rule breakers".

But in the same breath not punishing rule breakers is also causing more rule breakers.

So.. what path do you want to go - punish those who quite deliberately break the rule. E.G. Deliberately withholding information to the contact tracers. E.g. Those families that lied and caused us to go into lockdown which I think is on the pretty damn obvious thing to punished for list.

If you want to see if people do the right thing when nobody's watching, sit at any Stop sign anywhere in the country and I'll estimate that 70-90% of people will fail to stop unless there's a cop watching them.

So what? You're not talking about having a cop watching them. You're talking about burning the heretics.

As I said in my post fines do work for on the spot offences, not once you get into contact tracing. I've seen the practical effects.

Incidentally you still haven't answered who is the "affected population".

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#2667445 3-Mar-2021 17:22

cshwone:

Who is arriving at our borders at the top of the SI? Genuine question as I thought the priority was Auckland airport and staff and the actual quarantine facilities in the main centers.

RNZAF Base Woodbourne is near blenheim. where some of those that work at Woodbourne are likely seconded away to MIQ/F Facilities in other parts of the country.

They are entitle to return home after they have tested negative.

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#2667458 3-Mar-2021 18:57

Not sure if we have seen this varient in NZ before but we might have B. 1.1.317 from Russia on our shores

“Flight QR898 continued into New Zealand … We are liaising with New Zealand authorities regarding a fourth person linked to this flight that has since tested positive.”

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/russian-variant-sparks-fear-in-qld-prompting-extension-of-hotel-quarantine-for-dozens/news-story/22f812b1af5d224456463b3e0d991bc9

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#2667466 3-Mar-2021 20:17

cshwone:

Fred99:

Foreign shipping arriving at Port Nelson (and possibly smaller ports elsewhere in the region)

From a priority perspective I would have thought that those dealing with people who had traveled by air over a matter of hours rather than those arriving by sea over days if not weeks travelling would be the key.

From Stuff:

More than half of New Zealand’s 12,000 border workers have now received their first vaccination, Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said at Wednesday’s 1pm press conference.

That would imply to me we still have a major shortfall at the critical air entry points.

We have already had one port worker get infected via there job, so we know that covid-19 can come in by sea.

All the border & MIQ workers are the highest tier. Then these peoples household contacts. Then the non-border frountline workforce.

I think having additional priory levels within each level would add a un-necessary extra level of complexity, to what is already a fairly intense logistical exercise.

That said, I would guess that there has been some priority that the public has not been privy too. I.e. Vaccination staff at a port may have first called for workers with direct ship contact first, before they open it up to everybody (truck drivers etc).

Given we now have something like 190,000 doses of the vaccine in the ultracold freezers, we have plenty of vaccine to do the the first doses at least of the first two rounds.

I am happy for logistically efficiency to be the main driver behind how the first round of vaccines is rolled out.

[edit] - It is also possible that facilities like sky-chefs have been prioritized below the like's of air crews.

As a final note, spreading the border workers vaccines out over 4 - 6 weeks could be quite prudent. Fever is both a common side effect of the vaccine and a Covid-19 symptom.

The potential exists for a situation where a bunch of border workers all get fever after the vaccine, and are as such get Covid-19 tested and need to isolate until it can be confirmed they are negitive. Don't want this to happen to say 10% of your border workforce on the same day....

Apparently the side effects from the 2nd Pfizer dose is way worse (sufficient that I have seen people overseas recommending scheduling that entire day off work). If we stick with the manufacturer recommended timeline of 21 days for the 2nd dose, then it is even more important to spread the first doses over a few weeks...

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#2667510 3-Mar-2021 20:51

Excessive prioritization of the vaccine rollout can cause more problems than it solves. Internationally there have been cases of vaccines getting dumped because they didn't have enough candidates who fitted the required profile.

The most important thing is that the maximum number of doses that can be delivered in a day are delivered. If that means the sequencing of who gets vaccinated isn't perfect it really doesn't matter. You can not get a mass vaccination campaign perfect and in this case perfect is the enemy of good enough.