2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2667522 3-Mar-2021 21:16

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Press release:

More than half of New Zealand’s estimated 12,000 border workforce have now received their first vaccinations, as a third batch of vaccines arrive in the country, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins says.

As of midnight Tuesday, a total of 9,431 people had received their first doses. More than 70 percent of those, which equates to 6,688 people, have been delivered in the Auckland region.

“We are well on our way to ensuring those who are most at risk of COVID-19, the cleaners, nurses who carry out health checks in MIQ, security staff, customs and border officials, hotel workers, airline staff, port authorities and vaccinators will be protected from this virus,” Chris Hipkins said.

“I’m also pleased to confirm that a third shipment of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines arrived safely yesterday afternoon, which adds a further 65,500 doses, bringing the total number of COVID-19 vaccines in New Zealand to 200,000.

“From here, we plan to ramp up the vaccination programme, as we move to vaccinate border worker’s families and household contacts. We will then move on to front line health and emergency staff – those people who may be exposed to COVID-19 while doing their jobs.”

Border worker’s families and household contacts will start to be vaccinated in earnest next week, but in some smaller regions, district health boards have already been able to expand their programmes to include these groups.

“In places like Nelson/Marlborough, the smaller workforce has meant both the border workers and their families have been vaccinated at the same time, with the same batch of doses. This is really good news as it means they will also be protected from the virus, and ahead of schedule.

“I look forward to this rolling out in our main centres from next week.”

Pfizer is cranking with the vaccine delivery. MOH was only advising that there first doses were expected in Quater 2. We are still 4 weeks from that and Pfizer has already filled 13% or our order.

If they keep up 65,500 doses a week, our 1.5m dose order will be exhausted in just 20 weeks time. I think we should order more...

Ministry of health is going to need to seriously crank up distribution. The average so far of 3,000 vaccinations a week is 20x less than the delivery rate. Would be sad if we had to ask Pfizer to defer delivery because our ultra-cold freezers are full.

Anyway having a decent stock of vaccine in the freezer is a nice problem to have...

Hopefully some thought will be given to vaccinating the realm nations fairly soon. (perhaps after the border worker, their families and front line medical staff). Would be really great for them to be able to re-open travel with us, and a total population under 20,000 means the demand on our vaccine stock is not that high.

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#2667542 3-Mar-2021 22:00

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And he urged his followers not to fear the virus.

“God said that no plague will come near your house: 'I will send angels to guard and look after those who are in the secret place with God'.

Like all these pseudo religions they take a religious text and miss quote or interpret it to suit their message.

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Psalm 91 - King James Version

He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.

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Brian and Hannah Tamaki fled Auckland so they could avoid the thousands falling by their side. (line 7)

The Tamaki's have really truncated and twisted the entire Psalm to 28 words. But this is what these Pentecostal churches do, all in the name of raising money for supposed good works and people (read their leaders). Do they have a private jet or two yet?

Faith is individualistic and immutable and incorruptible.
Religion is a social construct,
made by Man for Man to explain Faith,
therefore it is fallible.

"And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy." And the Lord did grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats and large chu... [At this point, the friar is urged by Brother Maynard to "skip a bit, brother"]... And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it." Amen.

Book of Armaments, Ch 2 Vs 9-21

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#2667545 3-Mar-2021 22:09

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Hopefully some thought will be given to vaccinating the realm nations fairly soon. (perhaps after the border worker, their families and front line medical staff). Would be really great for them to be able to re-open travel with us, and a total population under 20,000 means the demand on our vaccine stock is not that high.

I doubt that will be possible with Pfizer. They won't have the storage equipment. AZ or J&J will probably be used.

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#2667547 3-Mar-2021 22:14

Turns out that people with connections to Papatoetoe High School weren't actually required to isolate until Feb 23rd, contrary to various statements made by officials. And that suggestions that people some people broke self isolation rules were false.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/124402792/covid19-badly-worded-selfisolation-health-order-issued-nine-days-after-cluster-was-discovered

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#2667548 3-Mar-2021 22:19

Scott3:

Turns out that people with connections to Papatoetoe High School weren't actually required to isolate until Feb 23rd, contrary to various statements made by officials. And that suggestions that people some people broke self isolation rules were false.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/124402792/covid19-badly-worded-selfisolation-health-order-issued-nine-days-after-cluster-was-discovered

At this point I think it's pretty clear that there was inconsistent messaging, some systems that weren't really fit for purpose and some poor behaviour. It'd be nice to hear that from the authorities and then move on to how to prevent this in the future.

It seems far more productive.

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#2667550 3-Mar-2021 22:29

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Scott3:

Hopefully some thought will be given to vaccinating the realm nations fairly soon. (perhaps after the border worker, their families and front line medical staff). Would be really great for them to be able to re-open travel with us, and a total population under 20,000 means the demand on our vaccine stock is not that high.

I doubt that will be possible with Pfizer. They won't have the storage equipment. AZ or J&J will probably be used.

I can be stored for 30 days in it's shipment container (if you keep topping up the dry ice), or for two weeks in a normal freezer. Plus the 5 days it can be stored in a fridge.

If they took 10 nurses to say the cooks (pop 17,000), and they did two 4.5 hour shifts a day, doing a vaccine every 5mins, allowing a day for setup, it would be done in 17 days. Could take all the vaccines and a bunch of dry ice with them, or run just in time with vaccines and dry ice turning up on the plane each weak.

Other locations the staff could go with the shipping cases, and simply thaw on arrival, and get it all done in under 5 days.

My understanding is that Portable temperature recorders are available to maintain cold chain tractability using normal domestic style fridges and freezers.

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#2667552 3-Mar-2021 22:30

Scott3:

Turns out that people with connections to Papatoetoe High School weren't actually required to isolate until Feb 23rd, contrary to various statements made by officials. And that suggestions that people some people broke self isolation rules were false.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/124402792/covid19-badly-worded-selfisolation-health-order-issued-nine-days-after-cluster-was-discovered

I think they're confused by their own damn timelines now

I posted about the order that kicked in on the 23. That basically made the Gym visitor a knob.

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=161&topicid=265423&page_no=1184#2665921

L, was announced on the 26th. 3 days after that. And worked on the days when the above come into effect. So yes. A normal person, knowing full well they are associated with an increasing number (it was up to K already for crying out loud) probably shouldn't have gone to work. And we were all advised in the media release (those involved may well have been earlier than we did). But they finished after midnight that morning

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/2-border-cases-and-1-new-community-case-already-quarantine

Case L worked at KFC Botany Downs between Monday 22 February 3.30pm and 12.30am on Tuesday 23 February.

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#2667554 3-Mar-2021 22:36

Handle9:

At this point I think it's pretty clear that there was inconsistent messaging, some systems that weren't really fit for purpose and some poor behaviour. It'd be nice to hear that from the authorities and then move on to how to prevent this in the future.

It seems far more productive.

I Agree.

However while I was quite fine with the paperwork (and the ability to legal enforce) of the first lockdown lagging behind the announcements, given this is Auckland third lock-down, I am quite disappointed our officials didn't get it right this time.

It is very important at this stage that the messaging is consistent with the legal orders to maintain credibility.

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#2667555 3-Mar-2021 22:44

Scott3:

Handle9:

At this point I think it's pretty clear that there was inconsistent messaging, some systems that weren't really fit for purpose and some poor behaviour. It'd be nice to hear that from the authorities and then move on to how to prevent this in the future.

It seems far more productive.

I Agree.

However while I was quite fine with the paperwork (and the ability to legal enforce) of the first lockdown lagging behind the announcements, given this is Auckland third lock-down, I am quite disappointed our officials didn't get it right this time.

It is very important at this stage that the messaging is consistent with the legal orders to maintain credibility.

something about NZ, she'll, be, and right. they needed to hire Singaporeans and Taiwanese officials.

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#2667556 3-Mar-2021 22:50

Scott3:

Handle9:

At this point I think it's pretty clear that there was inconsistent messaging, some systems that weren't really fit for purpose and some poor behaviour. It'd be nice to hear that from the authorities and then move on to how to prevent this in the future.

It seems far more productive.

I Agree.

However while I was quite fine with the paperwork (and the ability to legal enforce) of the first lockdown lagging behind the announcements, given this is Auckland third lock-down, I am quite disappointed our officials didn't get it right this time.

It is very important at this stage that the messaging is consistent with the legal orders to maintain credibility.

Being disappointed is natural.

We've learnt here over the last 12 months that there are a lot of moving parts and things will go wrong. People will do the wrong thing, commmunication will go wrong, systems that seem fine will be a disaster.

They shouldn't go wrong but they will. NZ hasn't really had to find that out until recently.

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#2667557 3-Mar-2021 22:53

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I doubt that will be possible with Pfizer. They won't have the storage equipment. AZ or J&J will probably be used.

I can be stored for 30 days in it's shipment container (if you keep topping up the dry ice), or for two weeks in a normal freezer. Plus the 5 days it can be stored in a fridge.

If they took 10 nurses to say the cooks (pop 17,000), and they did two 4.5 hour shifts a day, doing a vaccine every 5mins, allowing a day for setup, it would be done in 17 days. Could take all the vaccines and a bunch of dry ice with them, or run just in time with vaccines and dry ice turning up on the plane each weak.

Other locations the staff could go with the shipping cases, and simply thaw on arrival, and get it all done in under 5 days.

My understanding is that Portable temperature recorders are available to maintain cold chain tractability using normal domestic style fridges and freezers.

I wouldn't do it that way, it introduces a level of complexity that is just begging for a complete cock up. There's zero chance of doing the whole of the cooks in 17 days, if all goes well it'll be more like 17 weeks. There will be logistical problems, comms screw ups and just the challenges of working in that environment.

Using the facilities that exist and products that are fit for that environment seems a far more likely to have a good outcome.

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#2667563 4-Mar-2021 01:26

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Scott3:

I Agree.

However while I was quite fine with the paperwork (and the ability to legal enforce) of the first lockdown lagging behind the announcements, given this is Auckland third lock-down, I am quite disappointed our officials didn't get it right this time.

It is very important at this stage that the messaging is consistent with the legal orders to maintain credibility.

something about NZ, she'll, be, and right. they needed to hire Singaporeans and Taiwanese officials.

If you think that New Zealand society is comparable to Singapore or Taiwan you are very much mistaken.

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#2667574 4-Mar-2021 07:32

There are at least 4 different stories over this garbage on heralds front page

Jason is a political reporter that stirred things up at the initial response. Along with others in media, people hold them like a god trying to call out the government for every action regardless

But it's dividing everyone. The work done, and future fight paths. And basically likely to incite rebellion, shaming and abuse when we don't need it. Facey is a vial mess of unfiltered comments on every one of the associated posts - ie 'pressure mounts for PM to apologize to kfc worker..'

This whole focal point just needs to stop. Move on. It was 2 weeks ago. We're here now. Fix it again to go back to where we were. But fear it's too late looking at attitude changes
today's gem, is the police are now involved due the online abuse. Gee. Wonder who stirred that up.
I'm not looking forward to winter...

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#2667576 4-Mar-2021 07:47

Scott3:

Handle9:

At this point I think it's pretty clear that there was inconsistent messaging, some systems that weren't really fit for purpose and some poor behaviour. It'd be nice to hear that from the authorities and then move on to how to prevent this in the future.

It seems far more productive.

I Agree.

However while I was quite fine with the paperwork (and the ability to legal enforce) of the first lockdown lagging behind the announcements, given this is Auckland third lock-down, I am quite disappointed our officials didn't get it right this time.

It is very important at this stage that the messaging is consistent with the legal orders to maintain credibility.

The legal orders are something we just can't get seem to get right. You'd think after the whole saga around the legality of the original lockdown which took a week to fix that there would be very clear processes in place now to deal with these public health orders, and that there aren't unnecessary delays in enacting these.

It's not just ensuring that messaging and legal orders are consistent, it's also that there is some logic and rationale behind messaging, and that the messaging and requirements isn't what is causing the confusion.

Providing you have no symptoms and aren't in a high risk category it hasn't been a requirement for many months now to self isolate after testing during L1/L2. Despite this being the message on the MoH and Govt websites and some (but not all DHB sites) it has been a message that hasn't been inconsistently delivered nor explained.

This week I've seen a number of comments on social media from people in Auckland saying "but I went for a test last week and was told I didn't needed to isolate" whereas under L3/L4 restrictions which are in place this week the guidance may be different depending on your situation. Considering the number of people in Auckland (and in South Auckland in particular) who have undergone testing on multiple occasions in different scenarios ranging from surveillance testing to being a possible casual or casual plus contact the fact they're potentially been given different advice on different occasions is the perfect recipe for confusion, especially for those of whom English is a second language.

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#2667578 4-Mar-2021 07:53

Oblivian:

This whole focal point just needs to stop. Move on. It was 2 weeks ago. We're here now. Fix it again to go back to where we were. But fear it's too late looking at attitude changes
today's gem, is the police are now involved due the online abuse. Gee. Wonder who stirred that up.
I'm not looking forward to winter...

Social media is just one big hate group now, especially when it comes to any post about stories such as these that allows comments. I'm really not sure how we fix this.

Last night we had another rumour spreading like wildfire online about a new reported case (which I'm not going to detail here but I'm sure some would have seen it) which has further added to the panic. I'm not sure what the best thing to do is under such a scenario - should we immediately have press releases sent out to deny such rumours of they are not true? Will media reporting such things to try and shut down misinformation merely make things worse?

We've moved to a clickbait driven media where provoking outrage delivers clicks and eyeballs. I'm not sure how we ever go back from that.

As somebody who's been a news junkie my whole life I find the state of NZ media and our 6pm news broadcasts now such a trainwreck. I find it refreshing to watch content such as SBS World News to actually understand what is happening in the world.

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