2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2679760 24-Mar-2021 12:29

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I had a quick look at TT fares the other day, was (Chch-Syd return) all-up about $880, so not fantastic - not terrible, but I guess all airlines flying TT will be keen to ramp things up ASAP to keep planes in the air and staff on the payroll, so it wouldn't surprise me if prices fall back. Can't remember exact fares I paid, but $300 return rings a bell, one ticket to

TT fares for the next few months are all around $1100ish return from the major cities. This is because Air NZ are only selling fully flexi fares at present.

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#2679842 24-Mar-2021 14:25

I think the bus issue is either overblown. Everyone in MIQ is assumed to be potentially infected and measures should reflect that situation. Protocols around any bus journey, not just for exercise, should reflect that risk. Knowing someone is infected presents no more risk than those who may equally be infected but not yet detected.

So the real issue is should anyone in MIQ travel in a bus, apart from their initial trip from airport to MIQ facility which is unavoidable or is risk mitigation measures adequate whether infected or not ?

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#2679845 24-Mar-2021 14:35

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So the real issue is should anyone in MIQ travel in a bus, apart from their initial trip from airport to MIQ facility which is unavoidable or is risk mitigation measures adequate whether infected or not ?

The answer to that question is categorically no in my opinion. I've yet to come across another adult that believes it's sensible, necessary or presents an acceptable risk to the community. The question is, why do the people who make these policies believe it is, and why after all the reviews and external people brought in after prior outbreaks, is it still happening. In my view heads should roll. For the record, I'd 1000% feel exactly the same way regardless of who was in charge.

If people can't cope with being cooped up in their rooms for 14 measly days, with their washing being done, food being delivered, in comfortable lodgings, in exchange for the privilege of coming back to one of the safest places in the world, which only stays that way if we take all reasonable measures to ensure it, then as far as I am concerned, you are welcome to stay where you are.

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#2679858 24-Mar-2021 15:25

Scotdownunder:

I think the bus issue is either overblown. Everyone in MIQ is assumed to be potentially infected and measures should reflect that situation. Protocols around any bus journey, not just for exercise, should reflect that risk. Knowing someone is infected presents no more risk than those who may equally be infected but not yet detected.

yeah, the bus thing is bit of manufactured outrage- ( although the extra 14 days for the close contacts is a bit of a bugger)

The infected person was infected while they were on the bus going TO the exercise area, so even if they were transported FROM the area by teleport. after they got their positive result . the other bus passengers would still be subject to the same restrictions,

If they had the same allocated seating there and back, it would not have mattered if they got their positive result at the park or after they got back... the backwards tracing would result in the same restrictions....

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#2679864 24-Mar-2021 15:46

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If they had the same allocated seating there and back, it would not have mattered if they got their positive result at the park or after they got back... the backwards tracing would result in the same restrictions....

It's kindof bizarre that they get their test results under circumstances which make it difficult to subsequently avoid contact with others. One wonders why the result wasn't available before they got on the bus. Perhaps a bit of rescheduling might have avoided the whole issue?

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#2679868 24-Mar-2021 15:56

wellygary:

Scotdownunder:

I think the bus issue is either overblown. Everyone in MIQ is assumed to be potentially infected and measures should reflect that situation. Protocols around any bus journey, not just for exercise, should reflect that risk. Knowing someone is infected presents no more risk than those who may equally be infected but not yet detected.

yeah, the bus thing is bit of manufactured outrage- ( although the extra 14 days for the close contacts is a bit of a bugger)

The infected person was infected while they were on the bus going TO the exercise area, so even if they were transported FROM the area by teleport. after they got their positive result . the other bus passengers would still be subject to the same restrictions,

If they had the same allocated seating there and back, it would not have mattered if they got their positive result at the park or after they got back... the backwards tracing would result in the same restrictions....

I entirely disagree. Not knowing and putting someone at risk is one thing, but putting someone knowingly infected back on the same bus with lots of people is intentionally exposing them, and twice as much (since 2 trips).

They should have been transported separately. The cost and hassle is totally negligible against another potential lockdown etc. It's laughable the health minister justified it by saying they were wearing a mask.

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#2679869 24-Mar-2021 16:00

Interesting C-19 daily case trends for jurisdictions with some of the highest vaccination rates.

Clearly in most cases non-pharmacological measures still seem to be, or have been dominant.

Israel is perhaps the clearest case where vaccinations appear to have had a significant impact. Their daily cases started falling significantly mid-late Jan when 30% - 40% of their population had had a first dose. Now with 108 doses per 100 people, new C-19 cases have dropped to (relatively) very low numbers.
Gibraltar, has the highest rate of vaccination, with what must be 70+% of the population now fully vaccinated. The daily C-19 rate there has dropped to near zero (some or most of the few cases likely imported). However, daily cases there started falling sharply before the vaccination programme started, or at least before any significant numbers had their first dose. And had dropped to near zero by the start of Feb when their vaccination rate was a lot lower (similar to current rate in the UK).
UK case numbers similarly started to drop before significant numbers had been vaccinated. But in their case, the numbers have levelled off over the last ~3 weeks despite 35 - 45 doses/100ppl over that period.
UAE on the other hand, has had a comparatively modest drop in case numbers, despite having administered over 75 doses / 100 population

Figures above from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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#2679874 24-Mar-2021 16:09

NZ's vaccine update today was pretty confusing. It's as though they're intentionally presenting data and graphs in a way that makes it difficult to really analyse.

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#2679876 24-Mar-2021 16:21

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NZ's vaccine update today was pretty confusing. It's as though they're intentionally presenting data and graphs in a way that makes it difficult to really analyse.

Agree, the fact they are not releasing the data behind the "vaccination curves" -( they are processing requests as OIAs) is frankly unhelpful...

Its all to do with not wanting to be held to account if they don't make their milestones...

I also note they have stopped reporting how much vaccine is in the country ... again pretty unhelpful...

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#2679883 24-Mar-2021 16:40

DS248:

Interesting C-19 daily case trends for jurisdictions with some of the highest vaccination rates.

Clearly in most cases non-pharmacological measures still seem to be, or have been dominant.

Israel is perhaps the clearest case where vaccinations appear to have had a significant impact. Their daily cases started falling significantly mid-late Jan when 30% - 40% of their population had had a first dose. Now with 108 doses per 100 people, new C-19 cases have dropped to (relatively) very low numbers.
Gibraltar, has the highest rate of vaccination, with what must be 70+% of the population now fully vaccinated. The daily C-19 rate there has dropped to near zero (some or most of the few cases likely imported). However, daily cases there started falling sharply before the vaccination programme started, or at least before any significant numbers had their first dose. And had dropped to near zero by the start of Feb when their vaccination rate was a lot lower (similar to current rate in the UK).
UK case numbers similarly started to drop before significant numbers had been vaccinated. But in their case, the numbers have levelled off over the last ~3 weeks despite 35 - 45 doses/100ppl over that period.
UAE on the other hand, has had a comparatively modest drop in case numbers, despite having administered over 75 doses / 100 population
... plots in my previous post ...)

One observation. The 'vaccine impacted' rates (Israel & UAE) exhibit a slight concave-down trend (reduction in C-19 infections accelerating at higher levels of vaccination).

By contrast, the 'non-pharm impacted' rates (the rest) exhibit a concave-up trend.

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#2679886 24-Mar-2021 16:52

wellygary:

sbiddle:

NZ's vaccine update today was pretty confusing. It's as though they're intentionally presenting data and graphs in a way that makes it difficult to really analyse.

Agree, the fact they are not releasing the data behind the "vaccination curves" -( they are processing requests as OIAs) is frankly unhelpful...

Its all to do with not wanting to be held to account if they don't make their milestones...

I also note they have stopped reporting how much vaccine is in the country ... again pretty unhelpful...

It reminds me a lot of when they stopped reporting lots of data on the total number of available MIQ rooms when the media started asking questions..

When you combine this confusing data with the very significant change in the past few days over what determines a community transmission case it really does make me wonder about lots of the things we're being told. Why are all these changes occurring?

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#2679961 24-Mar-2021 20:00

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-hundreds-take-overseas-holidays-despite-dont-travel-advice/B5LRDCDPBIPPJXMOPY263GXUXM/

They're among at least 424 Kiwis who've taken return trips overseas in the past year and ticked "holiday/vacation" on their departure card, since a Do Not Travel advisory appeared on the Government's SafeTravel website on March 20, 2020.

Since August 11, people who take return trips overseas have had to pay for their MIQ stay on the way back unless they're coming home for the first time since August, and staying put in the country for at least 90 days.

The Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment tightened the criteria today, so New Zealand citizens and residents will need to stay in the country for at least 180 days - about six months - to be exempt from the fees.

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#2680100 24-Mar-2021 23:10

Oblivian:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-hundreds-take-overseas-holidays-despite-dont-travel-advice/B5LRDCDPBIPPJXMOPY263GXUXM/

They're among at least 424 Kiwis who've taken return trips overseas in the past year and ticked "holiday/vacation" on their departure card, since a Do Not Travel advisory appeared on the Government's SafeTravel website on March 20, 2020.

Since August 11, people who take return trips overseas have had to pay for their MIQ stay on the way back unless they're coming home for the first time since August, and staying put in the country for at least 90 days.

The Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment tightened the criteria today, so New Zealand citizens and residents will need to stay in the country for at least 180 days - about six months - to be exempt from the fees.

/edit. Come to think of it. As someone pointed out. I wonder if this was some form of survey instead. So the percentage may be based on the total number. But not all asked. Cause, Departure cards are.. gone?

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#2680118 25-Mar-2021 07:40

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/coronavirus-genome-sequencing-by-insacog-shows-variants-of-concern-and-a-novel-variant-in-india-health-ministry/article34150116.ece

Guess with the number still passing it on that was inevitable, now to see if pfizer is a waste of time suddenly

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#2680119 25-Mar-2021 07:42

Oblivian: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/coronavirus-genome-sequencing-by-insacog-shows-variants-of-concern-and-a-novel-variant-in-india-health-ministry/article34150116.ece

Guess with the number still passing it on that was inevitable, now to see if pfizer is s water if the suddenly

Sorry can't make it out with the autocorrect spellings but you better hope so. Not just for pfizer.

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