2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2682727 29-Mar-2021 19:35

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World in data stats are for total population.

Possible explanation in this story

The vaccine drive has also stretched into neighbouring Spain, where doses have been offered to the more than 10,000 workers who cross into Gibraltar regularly.

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#2682731 29-Mar-2021 19:52

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Possible explanation in this story

The vaccine drive has also stretched into neighbouring Spain, where doses have been offered to the more than 10,000 workers who cross into Gibraltar regularly.

Most likely this is the answer.

Doses administered in Gibraltar may well include Spanish people who regularly cross into Gibraltar, but do not live their.

A material number of non-residents being vaccinated and counted in Gibraltar's vaccination stat's, but not their population could lead to a weird outcome, and make the 79.3% fully vaccinated stat quoted by CNN false, while the doses given stat is accurate.

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#2682733 29-Mar-2021 19:53

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Possible explanation in this story

The vaccine drive has also stretched into neighbouring Spain, where doses have been offered to the more than 10,000 workers who cross into Gibraltar regularly.

I thought we were discussing what CNN were supposed to have stated.

Gibraltar health authority reports that they've administered 31,084 first does and 27,662 second doses as of end 27/3.

So based on the resident 33,000, plus however many of the 10,000 non-resident workers accepted a vaccination I'm none the wiser, except to doubt that they're vaccinating children with a vaccine AFAIK not approved to be used for children.

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#2682802 29-Mar-2021 22:50

If you wanted a bit of an insight to the MiQs from someone from India (via Dubai)

Karl Rock is a youtuber I've come across a few times. Showing you the indian scam call centres and so on (he helps snooping Jim B etc)

He is due to do a week update any day now.

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#2682838 30-Mar-2021 05:39

I've watched it but didn't post because He says he hates coming back to nz and can't wait to leave which is "soon"

And the best part, you and I paid for his stay

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#2682899 30-Mar-2021 08:57

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Gibraltar nears full vaccination; 79.3% fully vaccinated & a further 12.6% have had the first dose (all Pfizer/BioNTech). ...

How does that work? Do they not have kids in Gibraltar, or are they vaccinating kids despite no vaccine having completed testing on those 15 or under?

Presumably it's 79.3% and 91.9% of those eligible for vaccination, which will be significantly less than the whole population.

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#2682902 30-Mar-2021 09:04

Batman: I've watched it but didn't post because He says he hates coming back to nz and can't wait to leave which is "soon"

And the best part, you and I paid for his stay

Perhaps I watched a different video. Because he says multiple times, I love it, I'm happy to be back.

And is here for a few months.

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#2682940 30-Mar-2021 10:04

Looks like NZ is still being used as a gateway country.

At least 2 of the Grand Mercure guests who need retesting are no longer in NZ, 28 are still to be contacted.

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#2682983 30-Mar-2021 10:57

sbiddle:

Looks like NZ is still being used as a gateway country.

At least 2 of the Grand Mercure guests who need retesting are no longer in NZ, 28 are still to be contacted.

Frustrating given how much NZ taxpayers Subsidies MIQ facilities, and how each of these people either means an additional traveler into NZ (increasing the odds of a MIQ leak), or displaces a New Zealander looking to return to NZ.

But not surprising, given how hard Quarantine rooms are to come by in Aussie, and how expensive it is to get into Aussie.

My understanding Aussie are still doing what NZ did initially, and allocating MIQ rooms to airlines, rather than directly, meaning that airlines can apply serious scarcity pricing to tickets which include a MIQ room allocation, often many thousands of dolar's, or only making higher classes of travel available. That comes on top of the actual fee for the MIQ room.

I think we need a cira $15k fee for using NZ as a transit lounge (departure to a third country within 6 weeks of arrival)

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#2684025 30-Mar-2021 12:07

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I think we need a cira $15k fee for using NZ as a transit lounge (departure to a third country within 6 weeks of arrival)

There was a change with the pricing, bit late but from Jun1, 180d/3 months vs the 14day hole that was a patch up to stop 0 day release and flight to aus.

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#2684038 30-Mar-2021 12:33

Oblivian:
Scott3:

I think we need a cira $15k fee for using NZ as a transit lounge (departure to a third country within 6 weeks of arrival)

There was a change with the pricing, bit late but from Jun1, 180d/3 months vs the 14day hole that was a patch up to stop 0 day release and flight to aus.

You need to spend 14 days in NZ after leaving MIQ before being able to travel to Aussie on a green flight. With the announcement made on the 25th March for all people who have departed MIQ since the 10th March it could only be people who have left NZ since the 24th/25th March.

It will be interesting to see if the media or MoH update us on this because I'd be really curious to know how many of the 28 who they haven't yet been contacted have gone to Aussie, something that would give us an indication of how many people are still using NZ as a backdoor.

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#2684059 30-Mar-2021 13:48

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You need to spend 14 days in NZ after leaving MIQ before being able to travel to Aussie on a green flight.

Wonder how they enforce that, especially wrt people with dual nationality.

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#2684070 30-Mar-2021 14:11

That change in fees only that kicked in on the 25th of march only applies to temporary visa holders. I guess most of the transit lounge people have NZ passports, but reside in Aussie, and as such the $3100 co-payment for the first adult would apply. I don't know if there are checks to catch out those who "plan" to stay for more than 90 days, but then change their mind and leave the week of their release from MIQ.

Is the 14 day after leaving MIQ bit accurate? Aussie Home affairs website only states that they have to have been in NZ for 14 days total.

https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/new-zealand-safe-travel-zone#toc-0

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#2684073 30-Mar-2021 14:32

No wonder there are still so many doing it!

Mr Hipkins said it was changing during a standup. Looks like it hasn't followed through or he mis-understood.

Though it does say unless you are in a covid hotspot. I'd call a MiQ with positivies one!

From Feb:

Since January 31, Australia has insisted people spend at least 14 days outside of MIQ before being eligible for the green zone travel arrangement, a change introduced after the Pullman cases came to light.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300228947/miq-as-a-transit-lounge-hundreds-fly-to-australia-soon-after-leaving-isolation

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#2684108 30-Mar-2021 15:34

frankv:

sbiddle:

You need to spend 14 days in NZ after leaving MIQ before being able to travel to Aussie on a green flight.

Wonder how they enforce that, especially wrt people with dual nationality.

MIQ is a "designated hotspot" in their rules for entry. You also need to fill in a declaration form before entering Australia.

https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/covid19-international-travel

But yes it simply would be hard to fully enforce that. It just wouldn't surprise me if there were still significant numbers of people using NZ to transit if they are eligible due to the fact getting a spot in Australia is just so much harder.

Considering the lead time to get spots you could easily have people using NZ to transit who booked their flights and MIQ spot well before the changes were made to try and stop it.

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