2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2698873 27-Apr-2021 16:47

Handle9:

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why don't just mount a UV lamp at ducts vents and everywhere in between?

It's expensive and dangerous. UV lamps are nasty things.

US CDC seems to recommend it as an option:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/ventilation.html

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#2698888 27-Apr-2021 16:57

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US CDC seems to recommend it as an option:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/ventilation.html

UV has been used for years as a duct cleaning technique. The issue with them is burns and they are insanely expensive to run.

In a duct you are talking about high velocity air, it's not uncommon to have air running at 5-10 m/s. Air is only exposed to the UV for a few milliseconds so the lamps are really strong. If they don't have a functional door interlock they are really very dangerous.

Retrofitting them into a supply duct is non trivial and can require significant modification of the duct work.

I know of one very large site in NZ that installed them 5 years ago at a cost of over a million dollars. They have been locked out as they had a number of safety incidents.

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#2698892 27-Apr-2021 17:03

Jase2985:

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I guess the 96 hour cohorting group management is the current idea so lets see how that goes.

Yea i believe it should work a bit better than how it currently is where you could have someone who is day 13 using a lift that was used by someone on day 0 or 1 for instance.

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96 hour cohorting, is how it was described earlier, fill the hotel over 96 hours, then close it till the first lot of guests get to 14 days (2x negative covid tests by then) then start discharging over 96 hours, 1 day to clean then start the process again.

At present the Grand Millennium is the biggest hotel with approximately 452 rooms, some will be used by staff, nurses etc and some will be OOA. but at an average of about 1.25 guests per room that's only about 565 people to fill the hotel. 4 flights of 100-120 people and your done.

smaller hotels of 100-150 rooms might take some of the smaller flights over that period.

Cheers. Seems you are correct. - And actually it is probiably good that they release the guests over a couple of days. Likely less social contact that way than having 450 rooms of guests leaving all the same time (for the situation where somebody has caught covid-19 late in their stay).

Frustrating that an official government press release says one thing, then they actually do something else.

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#2698900 27-Apr-2021 17:32

its the way people interpret things more than anything, as there has never been a change to the minimum stay in MIQ at 14 days (as long as you have complied with the testing requirements)

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#2698902 27-Apr-2021 17:36

Press release:

New Zealand will lift the travel pause with Western Australia, effective from midday tomorrow, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today.

“Quarantine Free Travel will be recommenced from Western Australia at 12 noon, 28 April 2021 for travellers who have not been identified as contacts,” Chris Hipkins said.

“For those identified as close contacts, they will need to complete 14 days of self-isolation and provide evidence of a negative COVID-19 test before departure for New Zealand.

“All casual contacts – those who were at the locations of interest at the published time – will need to self-isolate for 5 days and receive a negative test. An additional New Zealand requirement means they will need to continue to monitor their symptoms in place and will not be allowed to travel to New Zealand until 14 days after they were at the location of interest.

“The Government is satisfied the risk is low, based on the advice of the Director-General of Health, and that the Trans-Tasman Bubble is working largely as planned.

“The advice is that the Perth cluster appears to be contained and the post-lockdown transition response measures the Western Australia Government introduced will provide an additional layer of assurance,” Chris Hipkins said.

These include mandatory mask wearing in public, while at work and on public transport unless exemptions apply; 20-person limit for private indoor and outdoor gatherings as well as bars, restaurants and cafes; and no visitors to aged and disability care facilities and hospitals, except for compassionate reasons and advocacy. The measures will be in place until 12:01am on Saturday, 1 May 2021.

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#2699001 27-Apr-2021 21:46

Israel is examining dozens of cases where people experienced heart inflammation after receiving Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE’s coronavirus vaccine.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-26/israel-examines-heart-inflammation-cases-after-pfizer-covid-shot

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#2699015 27-Apr-2021 22:44

csuttonnzl:

Israel is examining dozens of cases where people experienced heart inflammation after receiving Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE’s coronavirus vaccine.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-26/israel-examines-heart-inflammation-cases-after-pfizer-covid-shot

Two possible deaths, not accepted by Pfizer as being statistically significant.

They've also crushed C-19 with vaccination, from an average ~30 deaths a day over the past 12 months to 1 death a day now.

More than 80% of over 50s vaccinated, more than 90% of over 70s.

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#2699022 27-Apr-2021 23:41

Northland over-50s have access to Covid vaccine - find out where to get it

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/northland-over-50s-have-access-to-covid-vaccine-find-out-where-to-get-it/PQTMRFL7LYHZQCHHYHSQZOMLVY/

Going to be interesting how this pan's out.

Sadly I think it is going to be a total mess. over 50's make up something like 30% of the population. Inviting the entire of northlands over 50's at the same time to either book via an email address (not even an online portal with available slots listed), or show up via walk in isn't going to end well. Especially with just 5 vaccination sites.

This is a real pity as a great vaccination experience so that people recommend the process to their friends, rather than winge about it is important to get those on the fence to show up and get high overall uptake.

I imagine the media will be at the sites on mass to capture the inevitable mess.

Also having regions just ignore Ministry of Health vaccine roll out groups, and a regionally inconsistent approach is not ideal. Those located in south Auckland which is widely regarded as the highest risk area for covid-19 outbreaks will rightly ask why a region with no international airports or MIQ facilities are able to get in before them.

I wonder if it will lead to vaccine tourism to northland? Will put that DHB in a tricky spot... Either they

Exert a lot of staff effort collecting and verifying addresses, and break the prime ministers promise that vaccines would be available "No questions asked" to over-stayers and the likes.
Welcome everybody who shows up, and accept even greater likelyhood of running out of doses etc.

Potentially this will make a mess of the vaccine register & data recording if large numbers of people decline to provide their NHI, Address etc. Or give the address of temporary accommodation.

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#2699034 28-Apr-2021 05:44

Scott3:

Potentially this will make a mess of the vaccine register & data recording if large numbers of people decline to provide their NHI, Address etc. Or give the address of temporary accommodation.

No NHI number, no vaccine. You are tracked through the process using the new database which needs identifying data to register you. I would imagine for overstayers without an NHI they will have to clearly identify as such to get the vaccine

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#2699042 28-Apr-2021 07:39

cshwone:

Scott3:

Potentially this will make a mess of the vaccine register & data recording if large numbers of people decline to provide their NHI, Address etc. Or give the address of temporary accommodation.

No NHI number, no vaccine. You are tracked through the process using the new database which needs identifying data to register you. I would imagine for overstayers without an NHI they will have to clearly identify as such to get the vaccine

You don't need to be a resident (and eligible for subsidised healthcare) to get an NHI number, and personal data on that system can't be shared with any other agency.

Problem is that some people won't believe the latter.

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#2699047 28-Apr-2021 08:05

all non citizen/residents that are coming in to NZ are all given a NHI number for their covid tests

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#2699048 28-Apr-2021 08:13

Scott3:

Sadly I think it is going to be a total mess. over 50's make up something like 30% of the population. Inviting the entire of northlands over 50's at the same time to either book via an email address (not even an online portal with available slots listed), or show up via walk in isn't going to end well. Especially with just 5 vaccination sites.

Our vaccine rollout is already a complete shambles and even last week's updates from the MoH and health minister still don't stack up and their own facts show it's impossible to vaccinate everybody in the timeframes given.

It's no surprise things like this are happening..

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#2699089 28-Apr-2021 09:17

cshwone:

No NHI number, no vaccine. You are tracked through the process using the new database which needs identifying data to register you. I would imagine for overstayers without an NHI they will have to clearly identify as such to get the vaccine

If true, that would clash with our prime ministers statement that the vaccine would be available for free with "no questions asked" to everybody, regardless of their visa status.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300230422/covid19-first-batch-of-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-arrives-in-new-zealand

I imagine overstayers simply won't get the vaccine if they are required to provide numerous identifying details, or declare that they are overstaying or are concerned about their immigration status.

Fred99:

You don't need to be a resident (and eligible for subsidised healthcare) to get an NHI number, and personal data on that system can't be shared with any other agency.

Problem is that some people won't believe the latter.

Agree with the 2nd point. I guess overstayers exert a lot of effort to stay below the radar, and treat everything as a potential honeypot.

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#2699108 28-Apr-2021 09:42

Scott3:

If true, that would clash with our prime ministers statement that the vaccine would be available for free with "no questions asked" to everybody, regardless of their visa status.

There's no clash as you don't need residency or a visa to get an NIH number, and vaccination is free.

Take your partisan political sniping elsewhere. It's bullsh*t.

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#2699118 28-Apr-2021 10:06

Fred99:

Scott3:

If true, that would clash with our prime ministers statement that the vaccine would be available for free with "no questions asked" to everybody, regardless of their visa status.

There's no clash as you don't need residency or a visa to get an NIH number, and vaccination is free.

Take your partisan political sniping elsewhere. It's bullsh*t.

Either questions are asked, or no questions are asked. It's quite binary.

While you don't need a visa to get a NHI number, you do need to provide lots of info:

What information do you require before registering a patient for a NHI number?

The information Sector Operations requires before registering a patient for a NHI number is:

Family name
First name
Date of birth
Gender
Address
Residency status
The ethnicity the patient identifies with

https://www.health.govt.nz/new-zealand-health-system/claims-provider-payments-and-entitlements/national-health-index-entitlements

I don't consider my comments to be partisan political. The issue of how to encourage over stayers to be vaccinated, and need to balance privacy with data collection would likely be the same regardless of which government is in power.

As would issues with various DHB's (which each have governance that is independent from central government) having differing vaccination policies.

Most of my interest in this to anticipate if vaccine tourists going to north-land are able to be blocked or not.

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