2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2706802 12-May-2021 22:21

NZ per capita vaccination rate on a par with AU over the last week.

Rate in Singapore is three times higher though.

A little concerning, as the current MoH 'vaccinations model' to achieve ~8m doses by the end of Nov assumes over 76,000 vaccinations/day from mid-Sept to end of Oct*, which is just over double the current per capita rate in Singapore!

Given their very compact geography, significantly greater economic resources (& I suspect, overall more cooperative population), it will surely be a real challenge for NZ to achieve double the current per capita vaccination rate in Singapore?

(* data from https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/pages/covid_vaccinations_11_05_2021.xlsx)

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#2706803 12-May-2021 22:31

frankv:

Define "border worker". The example I saw on TV was an electrician? contractor who had worked in an MIQ hotel once in the past, and *might* work there sometime in the future. There will be a large number of these increasingly tenuous connections to the border. Whilst it would be a good idea to vaccinate them before their next visit, (a) there's a good chance that will happen anyway, and (b) their last visit occurred without them becoming infected, so their next visit can be handled the same way.

I would consider any of the following to be a border worker:

Anybody entering "Airside" of an international airport for whatever reason. Everything from fueling planes to restocking vending machines.
Anybody entering the gates of a (internationally serving) port, or customs international arrival's dock.
Anybody being in the same vehicle as, or required to be in proximity to recent arrivals to NZ (i.e. Transfer drivers & the people that marshal them on and off vehicles).
Anybody who steps foot inside the fence at a MIQ facility.

I would also include border adjacent, in any facility that handles items that have been exposed to people overseas or non green zone travelers in the last 3 days:

Airline laundry & Dishwashing faclities.
Border facility trash removal (in the event any manual handling is required, exempt if the trash is quarantined for three days before collection)
Inbound Mail & courier facilities

Obviously this casts a pretty wide net especially with regards to sea ports. Means the likes of office workers in each ports headquarters building get captured, along with every single truck driver and Trades person they need on site.

May seem a little onerous, but we have the doses, and the border is out biggest risk so I say it is worth it.

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#2706808 12-May-2021 22:45

DS248:

NZ per capita vaccination rate on a par with AU over the last week.

Rate in Singapore is three times higher though.

A little concerning, as the current MoH 'vaccinations model' to achieve ~8m doses by the end of Nov assumes over 76,000 vaccinations/day from mid-Sept to end of Oct*, which is just over double the current per capita rate in Singapore!

Given their very compact geography, significantly greater economic resources (& I suspect, overall more cooperative population), it will surely be a real challenge for NZ to achieve double the current per capita vaccination rate in Singapore?

(* data from https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/pages/covid_vaccinations_11_05_2021.xlsx)

My assumption is that the ministry is currently ramping up the special mass vaccination centers, and will continue to do so untill the big shipments from our 2nd pfizer order lands.

This keeps GP's and Pharmacies relatively free to focus on influenza vaccines for the next month and a half or so.

I assume once the really big shipments start to land they will start issuing doses to every willing pharmacy GP clinic in the country. I guess once the vaccine gets made available to all they might start bring in the likes of workplace vaccination operators to deliver the doses in the meeting rooms of large workplaces as is common in flu jab season. (get your flu dose in the next month or so everybody to free capacity for covid-19 doses later in the year - should be available may 17th for general population)

Last year we did something like 1.8m flu vaccine doses over something like two months. This is 30,000/day (based on 7 day weeks) to add on top of the mass clinics. Some potential for this number to be raised. Medical centers / pharmacies are typically only flat out with flu vaccines for the initial rush, and for something as important as the covid-19 vaccine roll out many may have staff willing to do overtime and run special weekend / evening vaccination clinics etc.

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#2706809 12-May-2021 22:52

Oblivian: Sure, that's workers taken care of. Part of employment.

Contractors/visitors, however, likely basically joe blogs unless there's some sponsorship or agency is able to arrange on behalf (or should have prior to date) And imagine that's a case of good luck pleading case, stand inline behind the sports and singers.

If you are required to work at a MIQ facility they will be able to tell you where/how you can be vaccinated ASAP.

From next month you won't be able to enter a MIQ facility without being vaccinated without specific prior approval from MBIE unless it's a life threatening situation.

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#2706811 12-May-2021 23:01

Scott3:

My assumption is that the ministry is currently ramping up the special mass vaccination centers, and will continue to do so untill the big shipments from our 2nd pfizer order lands.

If I've recalled correctly, this afternoon on National Radio, Chris Hipkins indicated that we've got:

~350,000 doses in stock.

~80,000 doses being used a week

~60,000 does scheduled to arrive per week until July - when bulk deliveries arrive.

There's not yet enough vaccine to complete group 3 before end of June.

He's confident that Pfizer will be able to ramp up deliveries.

So we're not in a position to ramp things up above current levels yet.

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#2706812 12-May-2021 23:08

The ramp up still looks largely on plan. It really doesn't matter if it finishes in October, January or March next year. I'd love for the NZ vaccination plan to be completed by then but much of the developed world will be completed with a few months of each other.

The developing world will be miles behind regardless.

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#2706813 12-May-2021 23:13

sbiddle:
From next month you won't be able to enter a MIQ facility without being vaccinated without specific prior approval from MBIE unless it's a life threatening situation.

Not quite miqs. Or that important, Thankfully. Which is maybe why it's not filtering down as far as the requirements worded yet - or there would be a defined group '2.6' or so where you can rock up and wave an ID. I understand retail staff were called up pretty fast. But they're onsite fulltime and likely got offered in bulk.

I'm in the top 2 further up. Occasional arports/international areas. But the same requirements seem to applies as they're operational airside agency controlled

Lots of parties to rely on for borders and red tape I guess. You got the building owners/operators who prob dont have same requirements. Then the border facing agencies within them who have these rules, and then the ones they sub out before it gets to small guys. Identifying and arranging likely a mission short of open offering and trying to work whos jumping the queue

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#2706830 13-May-2021 07:22

Oblivian:
sbiddle:
From next month you won't be able to enter a MIQ facility without being vaccinated without specific prior approval from MBIE unless it's a life threatening situation.

Not quite miqs. Or that important, Thankfully. Which is maybe why it's not filtering down as far as the requirements worded yet - or there would be a defined group '2.6' or so where you can rock up and wave an ID. I understand retail staff were called up pretty fast. But they're onsite fulltime and likely got offered in bulk.

I'm in the top 2 further up. Occasional arports/international areas. But the same requirements seem to applies as they're operational airside agency controlled

Lots of parties to rely on for borders and red tape I guess. You got the building owners/operators who prob dont have same requirements. Then the border facing agencies within them who have these rules, and then the ones they sub out before it gets to small guys. Identifying and arranging likely a mission short of open offering and trying to work whos jumping the queue

Actually looking through at the conditions of this it may be that you are required to be vaccinated to work airside at the airport, it really depends on how you want to interpret the summary of health order vs the actual health order itself.

The issue with outside workers who need to access border areas along with MIQ/MIF facilites certainly isn't something that has been well covered or thought out.

"An unvaccinated person may be permitted to enter and carry out work in a place covered by this Order, if the work is unanticipated, necessary and time-critical and cannot be carried out by a person who is vaccinated; and must be carried out to prevent the place from ceasing operations.

Exceptions in these circumstances may only be granted by the responsible government chief executive.

A person who is not vaccinated may enter a place without approval if they need to enter to preserve or protect a person’s life, health or safety in an emergency; or are authorised or required to by law."

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#2706863 13-May-2021 09:35

Oblivian: Sure, that's workers taken care of. Part of employment.

Contractors/visitors, however, likely basically joe blogs unless there's some sponsorship or agency is able to arrange on behalf (or should have prior to date) And imagine that's a case of good luck pleading case, stand inline behind the sports and singers.

if they are contracted to the hotel the hotel should be able to arrange a vaccination through the DHB team onsite. There are still some private vaccination centers open for boarder workers to go to.

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#2706871 13-May-2021 10:15

Recent HK stats on adverse reactions and deaths following vaccination. Useful counterpoints to some of the antivaccination brigade

https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/202105/12/P2021051200816.htm?fontSize=1

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According to information by the HA, during the period from April 5 to May 2, the ratio of death cases out of those without a vaccination record was 53.1 cases for every 100 000 people, whereas the ratio of death cases for those with a vaccination record was 2.3 cases for every 100 000 people. The overall death rate is similar to that recorded in the past three years. Out of those without a vaccination record, the ratio of death cases with acute stroke or acute myocardial infarction was 2.7 cases for every 100 000 people, whereas the ratio of death cases under the same category for those with a vaccination record was 0.4 cases for every 100 000 people. Based on the statistical analysis of the above figures, there is no evidence that vaccination increases the risk of death for recipients.

The majority of non-death cases of adverse events received so far are relatively minor cases

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#2706872 13-May-2021 10:16

Jase2985:

if they are contracted to the hotel the hotel should be able to arrange a vaccination through the DHB team onsite. There are still some private vaccination centers open for boarder workers to go to.

Cast further afield than MIQ/hotel for moment.. They're fairly clear cut. But make up only part of the puzzle when there is broader statements made in the Covid releases - to border or airport/port and their agencies.

There is also the planes, airport buildings, behind scenes stuff that makes all that happen inside airport buildings. Gangways, straight to aircraft couriers, Equipment inside hot areas (digital signage, duty free, retail outlets, IT gear, Security workers, customer service volunteers, Bio Security dog handlers, People that keep the lighting fixtures going.. ) Per above, there's roles (incl mine sometimes) that doesn't involve the need to go near hotels, but some of these border locked processing zones also mentioned.

As sbiddle points out, i think there's been a bit of an oopsy where A customs chief basically said any airport or port needs to be covered. Including their contractors and visitors. Because the legislation simply covers 'government' https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2021/0094/latest/LMS487909.html?search=ts_act%40bill%40regulation%40deemedreg_vaccination_resel_25_a&p=1

Part 3: Groups in relation to affected airports
3.1 Airside government officials
3.2 Government officials who interact with international arriving or international transiting passengers (other than passengers arriving on QFT flights)

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#2706890 13-May-2021 10:54

The airport has a walk in vaccination center for workers.

No one should be working in a role that potentially exposes them to covid without being vaccinated. that should include contractors, regular or irregular.

I would be talking to whom ever organizes the work at the site and asking them to give details on how to get vaccinated.

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#2706892 13-May-2021 10:55

Ge0rge:

freitasm: Invasive.

I thought we were talking about people dodging the test? 🙃

is what i was thinking when writing it😞

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2706972 13-May-2021 13:17

I rang my GP’s surgery to ask when those with underlying health conditions would be getting vaccinated.

“We have absolutely no idea. We don’t even know if it will be us administering the vaccination. The DHB has told us nothing. You could try calling them.”

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#2706979 13-May-2021 13:37

Fred99:

Scott3:

My assumption is that the ministry is currently ramping up the special mass vaccination centers, and will continue to do so untill the big shipments from our 2nd pfizer order lands.

If I've recalled correctly, this afternoon on National Radio, Chris Hipkins indicated that we've got:

~350,000 doses in stock.

~80,000 doses being used a week

~60,000 does scheduled to arrive per week until July - when bulk deliveries arrive.

There's not yet enough vaccine to complete group 3 before end of June.

He's confident that Pfizer will be able to ramp up deliveries.

So we're not in a position to ramp things up above current levels yet.

We are currently at a "pause" in the ramp...

At today's vaccine update Dr Bloomfield said that until we get to July, we will continue at around 12-15K daily vaccinations, with weekly deliveries of 50-70K. meaning a weekly stockpile rundown of around between 10-50K doses each week,

giving a buffer of around 6-30 weeks, ( probably most likely between 6-10 weeks),

He added they expect the stockpile to be pretty low as they cross over into July and larger shipments are due to arrive....

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