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#2713446 26-May-2021 23:26

sbiddle:

There has not been a single comment by him suggesting vaccines have been delayed nor that there will be any delays. He's said all deliveries have been as expected, and that they're expecting exact confirmations next week of future deliveries.

The issue is From July to end July or July, a push out of a few weeks. He did say that Pfizer has delivered what they said they would. he also said they have not confirmed what post 1 July from Pfizer will be, that there is no certainty of that, and that that period is under stress. That's what he said.

Annoyingly, he blew off from July to mean July, that was poor. From July means to most people 1 July or thereabouts. Which is stupid as he had already explained the lack of certainty of supply, that until soon, was certain, as they were delivering on schedule, so no need to fudge away a few weeks.

But in any case, for a period that was stated in mid Summer, and now Winter starts on Tuesday, does a few weeks matter?

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#2713509 27-May-2021 06:33

Biden orders more investigation into source of covid. Not sure what that means... More hacking into hospital files?

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/26/politics/biden-intelligence-community-pandemic-origins-report/index.html

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#2713533 27-May-2021 07:51

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In terms of the timeline being unrealistic, they could open to group 4 at any time. Just appointments etc would be extremely hard to come by. Obviously the call has been made to give Group 3 a clear run for july, which means a month worth of big shipments. I assume from the end of july, it will open to everybody, but there will be some kind of priority given to those in groups 1 - 3 (perhaps the entire morning's appointments reserved for them, tapering out over a month or two)...

I think the timeline gave the false impression that group 3 would be largely finished before group 4 starts. Vast majority of vaccines are going to need to be done in August to October. Not really any why to suger coat that, other than pointing out the fact we are not desperate.

It's been interesting to read a couple of mainstream media articles in Stuff and NZ Herald today. It seems that you've even got senior political writers who fell into the assumption category rather than bothering to do any sort of basic research themselves. When they talk about the "the vaccine floodgates would open in July" it's very clear they've just been listening to PR spin rather than even looking at basics like weekly vaccine data. It just seems to many people wrongly assumed that they'd just be able to rock up in July and get a jab, and for the last few months nobody has bothered to correct this.

There is no doubt that there has been a lot of political spin from Hipkins, and you can really only draw two conclusions from this - one being that he genuinely has been sucked in himself or that he's been trying to hype up the rollout to make things sound a lot better that the situation really was. Personally I think it's a combination of both.

At present the weekly vaccine data figures and forecast plan are only current until the 4th July, with the next forecasts due to be planned next week once Pfizer confirm their next update of shipments and quantities that was talked about yesterday.

The simple reality is that group 3 was 1.7 million people which means around 2.7m jabs if you factor in 80% takeup. Anybody with even basic maths skills should have been able to work out that we can't give these overnight, and certainly couldn't give all of these before the end of June.

I still remember now snarky Hipkins was when he kept pointing out in a radio interview a while back that "from May" did not mean the start of May, and the current vaccine advertising campaign for group 3 says that the rollout for group 3 will take several months.

There still seems to be people in group 1 and group 2 struggling to be vaccinated, and I think they have genuinely underestimated how many people fit into group 1 and fit into the "border worker" category.

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#2713537 27-May-2021 08:09

Once again Bloomfield is pushing the fact things aren't just going to return to normal once we open the borders and that we could have restrictions for 3-5 years. I wonder how long it'll be until the PM tries to shut him down again like she did the week before last when he first tried to raise the issue?

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/bloomfield-sees-some-restrictions-for-three-to-five-years

(Newsroom pro story unfortunately so it is paywalled at present but hopefully they might open it up in a few days)

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#2713541 27-May-2021 08:27

Agree with that, its here to stay, and that can only help vaccine acceptance

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#2713591 27-May-2021 08:32

sbiddle:

There is no doubt that there has been a lot of political spin from Hipkins, and you can really only draw two conclusions from this - one being that he genuinely has been sucked in himself or that he's been trying to hype up the rollout to make things sound a lot better that the situation really was. Personally I think it's a combination of both.

If someone says to me that a long term project was going to start "in July" and it really mattered what date in July, then I'd ask. I wouldn't assume early, late or any date.

I don't think there's been any "failure" or deceit - it is what it is. (actually well ahead of where we thought we'd be wrt vaccines 6 months ago)

You seem to jump very quickly to a conclusion that behind anything that fails to meet your expectations there must be a conspiracy, but Occam's razor suggests to me there probably wasn't.

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#2713594 27-May-2021 08:37

Australian media reporting rumours of a lockdown for Melbourne:

"A source close to the government said cabinet was set to confirm final details of the lockdown on Thursday morning before announcing the public health measures."

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#2713602 27-May-2021 08:42

tdgeek:

Agree with that, its here to stay, and that can only help vaccine acceptance

And in terms of restrictions on movement and gathering, then even when the general public has been vaccinated, rest homes and other vulnerable populations will probably need to be protected with extra measures in place. As much as anybody may want the fine details now - nobody really knows.

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#2713603 27-May-2021 08:42

Fred99:

Australian media reporting rumours of a lockdown for Melbourne:

"A source close to the government said cabinet was set to confirm final details of the lockdown on Thursday morning before announcing the public health measures."

The morning report has them at 24 now. Up from 15. I wouldn't be surprised if it is on the cards for a short one until they get hold of things.

All the while, kiwis still looking at you funny for scanning and daily below the 600K mark. It's not like there has been any people travelling to/from events recently where there has been an outbreak or anything...

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#2713613 27-May-2021 09:13

People going on tour into US so they can get vaccinated

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/26/americas/vaccine-tourism-usa-latam-intl/index.html

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#2713634 27-May-2021 09:41

sbiddle:

Once again Bloomfield is pushing the fact things aren't just going to return to normal once we open the borders and that we could have restrictions for 3-5 years. I wonder how long it'll be until the PM tries to shut him down again like she did the week before last when he first tried to raise the issue?

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/bloomfield-sees-some-restrictions-for-three-to-five-years

(Newsroom pro story unfortunately so it is paywalled at present but hopefully they might open it up in a few days)

Fiom inside the Pawywall

"This would include more widespread mask use and an end to people serving themselves at restaurants and cafes."

Here's the Hosking headline from the story

...AShhhhhhlllleyyy wants to take away your buffets......

it will be like pirate radio, cruise companies will offer tours out of the 12 mile limit, where you will be able to indulge in uncontrolled gluttony...

+ how will the Cruise industry survive ( oh just realised there is no cruise industry left)

But it all will get seriously hosed down by politicians,

:) :) :)

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#2713648 27-May-2021 10:14

I always thought buffets were a bit gross anyway! 😃

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#2713651 27-May-2021 10:28

What, no all you can eat for 20 bucks!

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#2713653 27-May-2021 10:30

wellygary:
sbiddle:

Once again Bloomfield is pushing the fact things aren't just going to return to normal once we open the borders and that we could have restrictions for 3-5 years. I wonder how long it'll be until the PM tries to shut him down again like she did the week before last when he first tried to raise the issue?

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/bloomfield-sees-some-restrictions-for-three-to-five-years

(Newsroom pro story unfortunately so it is paywalled at present but hopefully they might open it up in a few days)

Fiom inside the Pawywall

"This would include more widespread mask use and an end to people serving themselves at restaurants and cafes."

Here's the Hosking headline from the story

...AShhhhhhlllleyyy wants to take away your buffets......

it will be like pirate radio, cruise companies will offer tours out of the 12 mile limit, where you will be able to indulge in uncontrolled gluttony...

+ how will the Cruise industry survive ( oh just realised there is no cruise industry left)

But it all will get seriously hosed down by politicians,

:) :) :)

3-5 years of restrictions seem to be the common narrative. I was watching the Singapore minister use this exact time frame a few months ago

The question is whether it's because the know the vaccines won't contain it or they are not sure if the vaccines will contain it (spread).

But in all likelihood that's the time frame to figure out the next step. Ie restriction to the end of time or just accept the new normal of knowing people will get covid like you get other sickness. But maybe 5 years to get to the new point where all vaccines have been deployed.

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#2713658 27-May-2021 10:40

"When they talk about the "the vaccine floodgates would open in July" it's very clear they've just been listening to PR spin rather than even looking at basics like weekly vaccine data. It just seems to many people wrongly assumed that they'd just be able to rock up in July and get a jab, and for the last few months nobody has bothered to correct this."

Even people I known who are anti labor party believed this spin .
Look at the state of the rest of the world. Why assume that NZ , with zero covid in the wild , would get preferential supply over countries that
desperately need it.

Why believe that govt depts could get this right , when they screwed up every stage so far
Government lied to us re Flu jabs & PPE , so why do so many accept what they say re vax time frames ?

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