2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2713659 27-May-2021 10:47

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Why believe that govt depts could get this right , when they screwed up every stage so far

Should that have an /s tag (indicating sarcasm intended)?

Edit: reading the rest of your post, I think you're trying to be serious. Serious fail.

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#2713661 27-May-2021 10:54

1101:

Why believe that govt depts could get this right , when they screwed up every stage so far
Government lied to us re Flu jabs & PPE , so why do so many accept what they say re vax time frames ?

Why the obsessive paranoid need to assume everything the government does is a conspiracy based on lies? There are a lot of people there working very hard to do the best they can for the welfare of others. Sure, they make mistakes, but I very much doubt Chris Hipkins spends his evenings chuckling with Jacinda Ardern over how they fooled the yokels again that day. Give it a rest.

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#2713666 27-May-2021 11:06

Ashley.

Well the whole opening up thing.
Depends on how much to whom and when.
Depends on their state of vaccination, monitoring and control.
Depends on new tests, treatments and that timeline.
Depends on our vaccination rate as well, and that last tranche of younger children will be very important once approved.
Almost 20% of our population is under 14.

Depends on context of Ashleys comments ( Well more he is fronting the net results of working groups in his ministry ? ).
If we throw open the doors to our traditional mass tourism sources quickly to beat the world.
Which seemed to be the comments from the luminaries at a recent Auckland conference.
It seems to be a race others will get there first if we don't hurry.
I expect we would have to be in a pretty high level of restriction in that case.

While select geographies can potentially get a handle on this faster, there are many places that years later will still struggle.
Noting that its not just the mass tourism but the labor to serve it as well we will be sourcing.
Government will be in a continuing nightmare of having to offend countries and nationalities with poor data, execution, and capability.
Or data that's a national secret, just trust us.

Past mass tourism of old is going to be a hard task, there was always 'big talk' about targeting high value tourism but thats not quick easy money.
Like swamp Kauri, a strictly limited rare resource, get it out of the swamp quick, beat a slow value approach in totally free market.
Fonterra, value add how has that talk worked ?
It would be nice if we could, but maybe in public policy you have to assume the worst and hope for best ?

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#2713667 27-May-2021 11:07

12 new cases in Melbourne overnight, there's more than 80 "exposure sites", "sources" are saying that a 7-10 day lockdown is imminent, details expected very soon. Bugger.

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#2713671 27-May-2021 11:13

It looks bad. Its spread too wide and too soon to manage now IMHO. It will be 2 steps forward and 3 back, then 4 back, etc. A lockdown will start the suffocation process, has to happen now.

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#2713691 27-May-2021 11:59

tdgeek:

It looks bad. Its spread too wide and too soon to manage now IMHO. It will be 2 steps forward and 3 back, then 4 back, etc. A lockdown will start the suffocation process, has to happen now.

Yip, all the jungle drums are pointing to a week lockdown being announced today...+ this is VIC not NSW, lockdowns are second nature to them...

Heck they are already debating what the announcers will wear, given that Dan "The Man" Andrews and his Northface are out of commission recovering from a broken back...

(on the positive side, it should give the OZ vaccination drive a real boost, nothing like have a virus loose that you can be vaccinated for...

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#2713765 27-May-2021 13:05

There's a lot of announcements about the possible announcement but surely there only one option. Wait for it...

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#2713783 27-May-2021 13:14

One of the 26 cases is in ICU on ventilator.

10,000 primary and secondary contacts identified.

Concerned at contagious strain.

Variant is outpacing contact tracing.

Contact tracing is showing that person to person transmission is happening in one day from onset of symptoms (vs 5 days typical for past C-19 variants).

7 day circuitbreaker restrictive lockdown commencing tonight.

(bold text is very very bad news IMO - this if correct probably explains why things fell apart in India, and are falling apart in other countries that handled C-19 well)

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#2713784 27-May-2021 13:14

7 day from midnight.

From the news, Melbourne residents have reported fleeing the state as Victoria braces for a likely fourth lockdown amid a growing Covid-19 outbreak.

Just like Italy, and probably many etc's

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#2713788 27-May-2021 13:24

tdgeek:

7 day from midnight.

From the news, Melbourne residents have reported fleeing the state as Victoria braces for a likely fourth lockdown amid a growing Covid-19 outbreak.

Just like Italy, and probably many etc's

Hopefully a holiday in restriction free New Zealand is not part of their waiting out the Melbourne lockdown plan.
Like our Aucklanders disappearing over the Bombay hills before lockdown.

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#2713789 27-May-2021 13:29

Hard to see it being 7 days, more like 14 minimum

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#2713792 27-May-2021 13:32

Surely not - it's an honesty box after all

Do you feel unwell yes/no*
Have you been in Melbourne in the last 14 days yes/no*

*Answering yes to any of the above ruins your plans, hits the wallet, and ultimately social life

What to choose...

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#2713794 27-May-2021 13:33

"The contact tracing is working harder and faster than ever before to ringfence first, second and third "rings" of possible transmission, but the variant virus is outpacing them." (paraphrased from what they're saying).

You could be cynical and say that they're "making excuses" for systemic failure. I think what they're saying is true, they've been world-leading with this in the past, and with that they're able to see transmission patterns for a specific variant in a community which can't be clearly seen in other first-world countries. WHO has been wildly wrong with giving advice on "variants of concern".

If you can transmit the disease within 24 hours of onset of symptoms, then what we've been doing will fail. Some (but not all) people may think that onset of a sore throat or slight fever is reason to book a test, but by the time you've booked and received a test - let alone received the result - it's too late.

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#2713796 27-May-2021 13:38

The doing wrong, being not even filling out diaries to have a chance to ring fence currently?...
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#2713797 27-May-2021 13:43

Fred99:

Contact tracing is showing that person to person transmission is happening in one day from onset of symptoms (vs 5 days typical for past C-19 variants).

I thought that asymptomatic transmission was always an issue?

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