2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2715475 30-May-2021 12:27

It looks like things are not getting better in Fiji, hopefully they can turn this around.
Melbourne is doing better, but has vast resources by comparison.

Covid 19 coronavirhttps://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-fiji-records-46-new-cases-highest-recorded-in-a-day/PMA7N4OWXZ7SWQIXDFJ7UFC2QE/us: Fiji records 46 new cases, highest recorded in a day - NZ Herald

Ministry of Health Permanent Secretary Dr James Fong said two patients were in the Intensive Care Unit (ICU) of the Colonial War Memorial Hospital in Suva.

"Today has not been an easy day, nor do I expect that the days ahead will get any better. Many of you have questions. I hope to answer some now and I am assured that a press conference will be organised soon to answer more questions," Fong said.

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#2715478 30-May-2021 12:58

i thought Fiji had issues because their hospital was also a hotspot in helping the spread. if your hospital is spreading the virus then ...

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#2715483 30-May-2021 13:29

ezbee:

Melbourne is doing better, but has vast resources by comparison.

AUS news channel mentioned that a concern is the incubation period and the lag.

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#2715486 30-May-2021 13:31

So we're down to 16 known cases in nz (miq). Impressive.

"The seven-day rolling average of new cases detected at the border is one. The total number of active cases in New Zealand today is 16. Our total number of confirmed cases is 2,316."

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/no-new-community-cases-2-new-cases-covid-19-managed-isolation-update-victoria-travellers

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#2715497 30-May-2021 14:01

Guangzhou has locked down a neighbourhood due to increasing cases. Big city, travel hub, not far from Hong Kong. . Maybe its time for all nations to lockdown for 14 days concurrently. 2021 is increasingly looking like 2020 on steroids. Its not getting better and I'm sure there are millions of people relaxing too much.

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#2715500 30-May-2021 14:09

I think complacency in NZ will be our achilles heel at some point over the next few months. Then shit will really hit the fan with people demanding vaccines

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#2715540 30-May-2021 15:54

Australia hit 20% of the adult population receiving at least their first jab earlier in the week and people are basically demanding the govt do something about the slow rollout.

Here we're not going to hit that 20% figure until some time in late June based on current predictions.

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#2715541 30-May-2021 15:56

csuttonnzl: I think complacency in NZ will be our achilles heel at some point over the next few months. Then shit will really hit the fan with people demanding vaccines

No. Low complacency is standard globally where risk is low. Plus NZ doesn't have easy contact with Covid, its either via MIQ, or its via a bubble. Bubble is obviously a higher risk, but we have a bubble as we accept that. If that turns sour then queues will line up for tests, etc.

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#2715542 30-May-2021 16:00

sbiddle: Australia hit 20% of the adult population receiving at least their first jab earlier in the week and people are basically demanding the govt do something about the slow rollout.

Here we're not going to hit that 20% figure until some time in late June based on current predictions.

Is that a problem? Technically we aren't fighting Covid at the moment. Maybe Pfizer could triple our order, but we we stand and where others stand thats probably unlikely.

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#2715546 30-May-2021 16:14

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sbiddle: Australia hit 20% of the adult population receiving at least their first jab earlier in the week and people are basically demanding the govt do something about the slow rollout.

Here we're not going to hit that 20% figure until some time in late June based on current predictions.

Is that a problem? Technically we aren't fighting Covid at the moment. Maybe Pfizer could triple our order, but we we stand and where others stand thats probably unlikely.

Australia weren't fighting Covid either until 7 days ago. The point is we're just in an incredibly precarious position right now with one of the lowest vaccination rates in the world and a virus that's now so much more dangerous. Everybody should be prepared for the possibility of another lockdown here, and the reality is our new level 4 imposes some pretty significant restrictions above and beyond what we had last year.

The Covid website had all the old level 4 details removed and will only have updated information put on it if we were to go into lockdown again.

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#2715554 30-May-2021 16:37

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Australia weren't fighting Covid either until 7 days ago. The point is we're just in an incredibly precarious position right now with one of the lowest vaccination rates in the world and a virus that's now so much more dangerous. Everybody should be prepared for the possibility of another lockdown here, and the reality is our new level 4 imposes some pretty significant restrictions above and beyond what we had last year.

The Covid website had all the old level 4 details removed and will only have updated information put on it if we were to go into lockdown again.

CT occurred in Australia days after the bubble was announced, in a few locations. Melbourne is on its 4th lockdown, not quite the same. Unless of course we allow it in via this bubble. Yes, another lockdown has always been on the cards, that hasn't changed.

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#2715598 30-May-2021 17:34

sbiddle:

…the reality is our new level 4 imposes some pretty significant restrictions above and beyond what we had last year.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but that doesn’t appear to be true based on what I can see? So what are the above and beyond restrictions?

A quick comparison of the current AL4 as described on covid19.govt.nz to the archived alert level table from the 16th April 2020 shows them to be word for word identical.

They have added the words “sustained and intensive” (community transmission) to the risk assessment and removed “new clusters” from the risk assessment.

The settings certainly match up with what I was doing in Alert level 4 last year - staying at home except for the supermarket and the pharmacy.

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#2715616 30-May-2021 18:24

News tonight, Fiji citizens are not complying, 40 odd arrested, so I guess that answers the question of the problem they have there.

Aged care worker in Melbourne is infected, they have no idea how, I assume thats based on his/her known and possibly limited movements

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#2715901 30-May-2021 22:22

Scott3: Hopefully by say late 2022 we will get to such a level of vaccination (and the vaccine will be approved for preschoolers) that we can ditch vaccine passports.

That would be nice although I'm not sure it'll be a reality. As has been mentioned a few times, if this disease does become endemic then there are always going to be vulnerable groups who need protecting. There may also be variants popping up regularly for which the current vaccine is less than effective, requiring us to have a jab every year or so.

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#2715905 30-May-2021 23:17

sbiddle:

Australia weren't fighting Covid either until 7 days ago. The point is we're just in an incredibly precarious position right now with one of the lowest vaccination rates in the world and a virus that's now so much more dangerous. Everybody should be prepared for the possibility of another lockdown here, and the reality is our new level 4 imposes some pretty significant restrictions above and beyond what we had last year.

The Covid website had all the old level 4 details removed and will only have updated information put on it if we were to go into lockdown again.

This is why everyone needs to be scanning, because if we get a community case, then if the contact tracing has been poor, we likely end back in lockdown. Unfortionalety it was never pushed very hard, so it never became second nature, and many people stopped doing it.

This clause looks new in level 4 "Rationing of supplies and requisitioning of facilities possible."

Risks of lockdowns seem to always cause toilet paper shortages in NZ and Oz.

But I can't see anything else much different. Maybe business closures are comprehensive? I thought they were going to allow more food shops to be open this time, such as butchers and fruit vege stores etc. We lack competition in NZ around supermarkets, and I remember huge bills last time due to lack of supply and having to get more costly versions of products and brands etc. We aren't like the UK which has a lot of competition in this space and pay far less for food than we do in NZ.

Australia are at about 15% vaccinated so is at a pretty poor level, although this has increased a lot of the last week. It appears they expect most to be vaccinated by the end of October 2021. Whereas NZ is about 7.5% which is quite a bit worse and we are quite a bit behind the rest of the world.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=OWID_WRL

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