2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2717243 2-Jun-2021 13:07

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/300322274/transtasman-bubble-only-20-per-cent-of-arrivals-scanned-for-fevers-at-our-biggest-airport

Complacency rules

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#2717330 2-Jun-2021 15:00

cshwone:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/300322274/transtasman-bubble-only-20-per-cent-of-arrivals-scanned-for-fevers-at-our-biggest-airport

Complacency rules

Worth a read.

Its why we can't have nice things.

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#2717354 2-Jun-2021 15:57

I see QR code scanning is compulsory in WA. I also think it's mandatory in NSW.

Does anyone know what it is actually like on the ground in stats were it is compulsory. Is there actual compliance by business to enforce scanning?

Personally I'd like to see it mandatory here in NZ. Check in via the app or a piece of paper.

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#2717360 2-Jun-2021 16:22

@KrazyKid:

Personally I'd like to see it mandatory here in NZ. Check in via the app or a piece of paper.

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#2717364 2-Jun-2021 16:26

I admit to slacking off on the scanning, only a few weeks ago as i felt like i was the only one still doing it, but with the outbreak in Melbourne i have started to scan again.

I still feel like im the only one doing it, i very rarely if ever see anyone doing it.

Melbournes lockdown has been extended another week, but i also heard on the radio that supposedly people were transmitting the virus by just passing in the street, that is a bit concerning.

What is more concerning is that not all of the Melbournians in NZ have been tracked down and tested. What if one brought it over? Surely this would be number one priority for MOH?

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#2717373 2-Jun-2021 16:47

Daynger:

I admit to slacking off on the scanning, only a few weeks ago as i felt like i was the only one still doing it, but with the outbreak in Melbourne i have started to scan again.

I still feel like im the only one doing it, i very rarely if ever see anyone doing it.

What is more concerning is that not all of the Melbournians in NZ have been tracked down and tested. What if one brought it over? Surely this would be number one priority for MOH?

Even if you don't scan, TURN ON BLUETOOTH..... at least its something

Also, Some of those Melburnians may have gone back home (short visit) or they may have used NZ to get out of Australia's "Do not travel" border restriction and they could be halfway round the world by now.

They will need to do some data matching with Customs to track them down

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#2717380 2-Jun-2021 17:12

Daynger:

I admit to slacking off on the scanning, only a few weeks ago as i felt like i was the only one still doing it, but with the outbreak in Melbourne i have started to scan again.

I still feel like im the only one doing it, i very rarely if ever see anyone doing it.

I've gone the other way. Not that I could increase my scanning as I've religiously scanned since the app was released. But rather making more of a point of it so as to shame those around me into scanning.

I was heartened the other day when I entered my local New World. An elderly gentlemen approached the QR code in front of me and pulled out his phone. He must have been late 80s if not early 90s. He had a little bit of trouble locating and opening the App but I waited patiently behind him and he got there in the end. Two people side stepped us and approached the entrance without scanning. He politely called them out, something to the effect of "If you can't be bothered to scan for yourself, at least go to the effort of scanning for me". It worked on one of them as they promptly took their phone out and scanned. The other just ignored his request.

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#2717396 2-Jun-2021 18:45

Daynger:

Melbournes lockdown has been extended another week, but i also heard on the radio that supposedly people were transmitting the virus by just passing in the street, that is a bit concerning.

What is more concerning is that not all of the Melbournians in NZ have been tracked down and tested. What if one brought it over? Surely this would be number one priority for MOH?

I am guessing that is because the Indian variety is far more contagious. Also concerning is the UK, who now have over 70% of people vaccinated, but their numbers are now on teh rise again. The US looks like they are close to getting back to normal in places and may almost be back to normal in a few months, show he difference vaccination makes... Can't see NZ reopening the borders until mid 2022, and Australia are likely going to be behind NZ with total vaccination, and they will likely dictate us reopening.

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#2717398 2-Jun-2021 18:48

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mattwnz:

Oh No, here we go again? A new virus out of China, this time h10n3 bird flu !

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300322585/china-reports-human-case-of-h10n3-bird-flu-a-possible-first

New flu virus detected in China. Something to watch but a bit too soon to be alarmed by it.

True, but we have had some near misses before, like SARS, and these new viruses jumping between animal and human seem to be becoming more and more common, partly due to globabilisation and cheap travel causing more and more people to travel and spread disease. Covid 19 won't be the last pandemic, and we are very lucky Covid 19 didn't have a higher mortality rate than it did.

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#2717399 2-Jun-2021 18:54

Hmm. So the snippets on the news about Victoria and stuck kiwis along the lines of 'Pressure is mounting on the government to look into options for getting people home' and '..how it may work regarding quarantine, or if they can isolate at home...' as a result of the 7 day extension.

Uuuhhhmmm.

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#2717418 2-Jun-2021 19:49

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So it's fine to give people who (mostly) haven't lived in NZ for years, paid no tax or contributed to society a free pass to come in, yet those who live in NZ, pay tax and contribute to society who have to travel to work or those who have to travel for business are being forced to pay multiple times.

NZ citizens have a right to enter into the country, without being charged a fee.

Why should those who live in NZ, pay tax and contribute to society subsidise those who choose to travel for work? If it's a business expense, then the business should pay. After all, businesses deduct these expenses from their profit and claim the GST back, so it actually costs a business about half of what a private citizen pays.

Right now NZ citizens do not have the right to enter the country and not pay a fee so what you're arguing doesn't exist anyway.

Quite frankly why should the tens of thousands struggling individuals and businesses here who are still having to pay tax have to subsidisie the cost of others who may not have paid tax in this country for years? That is simply just wrong.

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#2717419 2-Jun-2021 19:51

cshwone:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/300322274/transtasman-bubble-only-20-per-cent-of-arrivals-scanned-for-fevers-at-our-biggest-airport

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Checking for temperatures is pointless and has been regarded as so for probably 12 months now. Unless somebody is actually highly symptomatic they are unlikely to have a fever.

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#2717422 2-Jun-2021 19:56

Oblivian:

Hmm. So the snippets on the news about Victoria and stuck kiwis along the lines of 'Pressure is mounting on the government to look into options for getting people home' and '..how it may work regarding quarantine, or if they can isolate at home...' as a result of the 7 day extension.

Uuuhhhmmm.

I watched the 6pm news and couldn't actually understand what the couple in Melbourne on it actually wanted.. They just seemed to think that "somebody should help them".

There is no process for coming home from Australia to MIQ, and maybe that wasn't made clear enough before the bubble opened. It seems now that there are people there that want to come home and potentially even pay for MIQ, but the only scenario where you'd end up in MIQ was a free taxpayer funded 14 day holiday if you were on a flight that somehow was deemed a red flight and required to have all passengers to go into quarantine after it has left Australia.

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#2717423 2-Jun-2021 19:59

sbiddle:

Quite frankly why should the tens of thousands struggling individuals and businesses here who are still having to pay tax have to subsidisie the cost of others who may not have paid tax in this country for years? That is simply just wrong.

This should really be in the politics section. Is your argument tax paid should confer rights?

I've paid more tax in my working life in NZ than most New Zealanders will pay in their entire lifetime so I should have the right to everything even if I'm not a resident. By this logic non-resident citizens paying NZ tax should have the right to the NZ pension.

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#2717427 2-Jun-2021 20:04

Handle9:

sbiddle:

Quite frankly why should the tens of thousands struggling individuals and businesses here who are still having to pay tax have to subsidisie the cost of others who may not have paid tax in this country for years? That is simply just wrong.

This should really be in the politics section. Is your argument tax paid should confer rights?

I've paid more tax in my working life in NZ than most New Zealanders will pay in their entire lifetime so I should have the right to everything even if I'm not a resident. By this logic non-resident citizens paying NZ tax should have the right to the NZ pension.

No it doesn't.. But we don't pay for the cost of people's plane flights home - why should we pay for their managed isolation?

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