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#2720127 7-Jun-2021 12:01

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I agree there is no one best option. For some countries because of their situation with respect to Covid one vaccine may be better than another. As you say the approved vaccines do a very good job. The relative benefits of each pale into insignificance in comparison to catching or not catching Covid and the effects Covid can have and an individual.

The problem in Australia is the media did such an amazing job of scaring people away from the AZ vaccine. There are multiple cases from the current cluster (including one of the first to spread it) who should have been vaccinated due to their age but weren't.

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#2720133 7-Jun-2021 12:14

Additional 11 in Victoria when it should be starting to cut off it's transfer :/

The last one, a teacher.

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#2720135 7-Jun-2021 12:19

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Scott3: FYI, mt wellington vaccination center is vaccinating all groups. Had no queue when I left 30mins ago. Just got vaccinated as a group 4.

95 Leonard Road, Mount Wellington, Auckland 1060

No idea how long this will last. May apply to other vaccination centers today. They are open, but I think the public holiday had caused low bookings.

If only we had an online booking system for Covid vaccines.. People could see this and book in last minute..

It seems it's at least another 5-6 weeks from launching based on comments in the media last week.

i thought we have an online booking system

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#2720139 7-Jun-2021 12:21

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i thought we have an online booking system

Depends on where you live. There is no NATIONAL one. Every DHB is a law unto their own. Given a set of guides. With many not following. Or even starting the Gp3.

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#2720142 7-Jun-2021 12:28

Scott3: FYI, mt wellington vaccination center is vaccinating all groups. Had no queue when I left 30mins ago. Just got vaccinated as a group 4.

95 Leonard Road, Mount Wellington, Auckland 1060

No idea how long this will last. May apply to other vaccination centers today. They are open, but I think the public holiday had caused low bookings.

How did you find the vaccination centre?

I am in Group 1 because of where my base of work is but as I've been away from work recovering from surgery I couldn't get it done when everyone else had their's done. I haven't needed to get vaccinated till now. It was a real mission to find where I could book in to get vaccinated. Rang the MOH 0800 number, they referred me to the DHB 0800 number which wasn't answered. Obviously the DHB hadn't bothered to unravel the 0800 number from their ransomware arttack. There was no information on line that I could find.

The only clue I had was from my medical centre where the receptionist mentioned where she had her vaccination. In the end I just walked in to that location. Other than signage at the door there was nothing to indicate where the vaccination centre was. It's almost as if they don't want people to find it.

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#2720146 7-Jun-2021 12:32

Technofreak:

The only clue I had was from my medical centre where the receptionist mentioned where she had her vaccination. In the end I just walked in to that location. Other than signage at the door there was nothing to indicate where the vaccination centre was. It's almost as if they don't want people to find it.

CDHB frontline centre at chc airport only has a small white diagonal strip banner indicating it is down the driveway somewhere in the complex. Quite likely is only so people sent there can find it and deter walk-in

Vs the private run one in a shop in a mall with all the signage.

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#2720150 7-Jun-2021 12:39

FWIW, the B1617.2 (Delta) variant seems (from the article linked below) to not have a shorter serial interval (shorter period from time of infection to becoming infectious) but the higher rate of spread indicates that it's got a much higher R0.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.04.21258205v1

(If it did have a much shorter serial interval, then I expect that would have been far worse for success of contact tracing for containment - so if the above is correct, then it's still bad news, but not terrible).

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#2720152 7-Jun-2021 12:44

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i thought we have an online booking system

Congratulations. You're qualified to be a politician! 😂

Most bookings are done by phone because every DHB is different. The new $30m + Govt immunisation system won't be ready to offer online bookings till at least the middle of July.

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#2720153 7-Jun-2021 12:46

Oblivian:

Additional 11 in Victoria when it should be starting to cut off it's transfer :/

The last one, a teacher.

The press conference today will be interesting, especially to know how many of the 9 announced this morning are close contacts and already in isolation.

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#2720154 7-Jun-2021 12:48

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Technofreak:

I agree there is no one best option. For some countries because of their situation with respect to Covid one vaccine may be better than another. As you say the approved vaccines do a very good job. The relative benefits of each pale into insignificance in comparison to catching or not catching Covid and the effects Covid can have and an individual.

The problem in Australia is the media did such an amazing job of scaring people away from the AZ vaccine. There are multiple cases from the current cluster (including one of the first to spread it) who should have been vaccinated due to their age but weren't.

Very disappointing in that Ch 9 network, The Age, SMH etc seem to be even worse than the Murdoch empire (if that's possible) in creating sensational headlines based on incomplete stories.

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#2720227 7-Jun-2021 14:50

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Technofreak:

I agree there is no one best option. For some countries because of their situation with respect to Covid one vaccine may be better than another. As you say the approved vaccines do a very good job. The relative benefits of each pale into insignificance in comparison to catching or not catching Covid and the effects Covid can have and an individual.

The problem in Australia is the media did such an amazing job of scaring people away from the AZ vaccine. There are multiple cases from the current cluster (including one of the first to spread it) who should have been vaccinated due to their age but weren't.

quick - give them a free date when they get a jab

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/07/cupid-needle-uk-under-30s-courted-dating-app-vaccine-bonus

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#2720230 7-Jun-2021 15:17

Technofreak:

How did you find the vaccination centre?

I am in Group 1 because of where my base of work is but as I've been away from work recovering from surgery I couldn't get it done when everyone else had their's done. I haven't needed to get vaccinated till now. It was a real mission to find where I could book in to get vaccinated. Rang the MOH 0800 number, they referred me to the DHB 0800 number which wasn't answered. Obviously the DHB hadn't bothered to unravel the 0800 number from their ransomware arttack. There was no information on line that I could find.

The only clue I had was from my medical centre where the receptionist mentioned where she had her vaccination. In the end I just walked in to that location. Other than signage at the door there was nothing to indicate where the vaccination centre was. It's almost as if they don't want people to find it.

It was a fairly slick operation.

Was the Turners Penrose front office that had been repurposed (Used car wholesale / resale. perhaps reflective of the used car market at the moment where stuff is selling more quickly so obviously turners were able to make do without that building & carpark).

Given the location, most people were turning up by car, and the site was well set up for that. (but equally fine for people who arrive by other means)

Went by yesterday too, 70min prior to closure (thought they might have surplus doses at end of day for any group, after hearing rumors the centers were struggling to fill appointments this weekend), Obviously they didn't they were only letting people who had appointments through the gate, so I didn't even make it into the carpark.

I heard from a contact that they were allowing all groups to be vaccinated at 8:30am this morning. Didn't notice the message untill like 9:45, so packed the family up and took them in. Arrived at about 10:20. They had staff in the carpark, and cones set up so that new arrivals drive to the back of the carpark first, and then grab a space as they work their way back towards the entrance. - This gives better circulation, and avoids the normal jam around the entrance.

They had a covered area with seats (no body sat down as there wasn't much of a queue) for people to wait before getting let into the building. People were asked about covid-19 symptoms and travel histroy to victoria / Melbourne. Got asked first names, and tape nametags stuck on so people didn't get mixed up. Ours had yellow stickers on them which must be code for something (low priorty? No appointment? first dose?)

Let inside, and they issued mask, clipboards & pens with permission forms, Travel history, covid symptoms, temperature, flu vac date checked and ushered into one of three queues. We were center, right was for 2nd doses. don't know what the left one was, perhaps priorty for people with appointments. Short wait anyway.

Sat down with a person that takled us through some stuff, entered details into computer etc. Checked travel history, covid symptoms, flu vaccine date again.

On to pre vax waiting room. Lots of chairs set out roughly 1m distanced from each other. They had a person doing crowed control, and it was slick. They would get you to sit behind the current cluster of people, and people ahead of you in the room would be called - so you didn't have to move seats. I assume they start again from the frount one they hit the rear or the room, but it was completly empty when we had been vaccinated. staff said they had never seen that before.

They had 9? vaccination rooms / booths set up. A bunch of stuff was checked yet again, and we were vaccinated. They gave our child stickers. then on to the observation room. Check in at a desk in that room, sit anywhere for 20mins, then they call your name, and a person asks if you have had a reaction and checks the vaccination site. There was a security guard manning the exit door that then allowed us to exit.

Basically 1 hour all up for us, which Is abnormally quick I think. I have heard others at the same vaccination center (in priority groups last week have the process take 2 hours, and still describe it as efficient).

All up, a good process. Obviously it would have been better to have group 2 & 3 people fill the appointments this weekend, than have group 4 walk in's like myself. But in my eyes doses in arms are better than doses in the freezer, and they seem to able to run at or close to capacity with the current setup.

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#2720232 7-Jun-2021 15:22

The city of Whittlesea has a total of 32 cases, an increase of three. All three new cases in this outbreak are day 13 tests, people related to and are household members of previous positive cases. They continue to quarantine safely.

For the Port Melbourne outbreak, we have 31 positive cases, an increase of one since yesterday. The one additional case is a cleaner on the Queen Street construction site. They were already a primary close contact, with a few more exposure days in that infectious period so there are a couple of new exposure sites we have identified for the individual including the train trip identified late last night.

The West Melbourne outbreak, the families we talked about over the last few days, there are 14 cases, which is an increase of four cases. Three new cases are family members of a previous positive case we've discussed, and the fourth case is a child again of the previous positive case in an outbreak. All of them have been quarantining and are essentially well.

In the Arcare Maidstone facility, nine positive cases in total, an increase of three since yesterday. Two of those are staff members and are relatively new staff in that facility, one is a resident has been there for a while, a gentleman in his 70s. A small number of exposure sites for those two staff members. Again, partly because they've been operating under lockdown restrictions. Obviously on these combined outbreaks, there are an ongoing number of investigations.

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#2720233 7-Jun-2021 15:30

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Batman:

i thought we have an online booking system

Congratulations. You're qualified to be a politician! 😂

Most bookings are done by phone because every DHB is different. The new $30m + Govt immunisation system won't be ready to offer online bookings till at least the middle of July.

where i live you cannot do bookings by phone. online only

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#2720289 7-Jun-2021 16:36

@Scott3 Thanks for the detailed reply. Sorry, I think you misunderstood my question. I was asking how did you find out where the vaccination centre was? The one I went to was well hidden. The only signage was a couple of flag signs right beside the entrance which were very hard to see let alone read from more than a few metres away.

So far as the experience went. I was in and out in within 30 minutes. Very quick. No masks or segregation which was particularly obvious when I went back the next day with my wife to have her first shot when there were a lot more people present.

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