2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2730474 18-Jun-2021 08:09

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when is novavax shipping?

Probably when it's approved somewhere.. For a vaccine that offered so much potential they've pretty much lost the plot.

They announced a few days ago they're finally about to apply for FDA approval but they've had so many publicised issues I'm not sure how many vaccines they'll even be able to produce.

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#2730483 18-Jun-2021 08:55

sbiddle:

What was interesting about the PM's announcement today is that she's said our vaccine supplies are delayed further which is pretty significant.

In the past couple of months Chris Hipkins has said on multiple occasions that all of our Pfizer supply will be here by the end of Sept - and as most recently as a few weeks ago saying "Pfizer had not given the government its delivery schedule for the vaccine from July onwards, but said it has committed to delivering all the vaccines by the end of September."

The PM today said "However, while more vaccines were coming, they wouldn't all arrive at once. The bulk should arrive by the end of October, Ardern said."

I wonder how this is going to affect the rollout? Surely there would be contractual obligations if Pfizer had committed to the September delivery timeframe.

Yes, I noticed this change in the delivery pace too,

BUT, after thinking about it, I think the Government have asked Pfizer to spread out the delivery schedule,

this is based on Hipkins saying this last week, after announcing more low temp freezers

"This will be enough storage for four million doses at any one time.”
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/more-freezers-and-south-island-hub-support-vaccine-roll-out

If we were to have all our vaccine deliveries by the end of September, it would mean that we will have had to use up at least 6 million doses by that time..

Injecting 6 million doses by the end of September means about 4 million doses to go in arms over and August, September... ( we are told we should have around 2 million doses by the end of July ) 4 million in 60 days is 66K a day, which I don't think we will hit...

Having the deliveries stretch into October gives them a bit more freezer capacity if they don't hit their targets....

The October delivery date is an admission that the rollout will be even slower than originally marketed...

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#2730505 18-Jun-2021 09:14

sbiddle:

Batman:

when is novavax shipping?

Probably when it's approved somewhere.. For a vaccine that offered so much potential they've pretty much lost the plot.

They announced a few days ago they're finally about to apply for FDA approval but they've had so many publicised issues I'm not sure how many vaccines they'll even be able to produce.

ok so they have an amazing vaccine that nobody can buy.

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#2730506 18-Jun-2021 09:18

Now a follow up vaccination invite from the Northern Region Health Coordination Centre Vaccination Team less than two days after getting my first invite.

This time a bit more direct, especially the txt version

"XXXXXXX [first name], Please book your COVID-19 vaccination now. Book here https://internal.immunisation.nmf.nz/..."

The follow up email starts

"Kia ora XXXXXXX
We’ve noticed that you have not yet booked for your vaccination.
As part of the continued effort to protect us all against COVID-19, you are invited to receive your COVID-19 vaccine."

This after the first email said to ignore the invite if I had already booked or been vaccinated.

Appears there is currently no syncing between the various vaccination programmes running as they are apparently not aware I am already booked in through my GP.

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#2730532 18-Jun-2021 10:05

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Now a follow up vaccination invite from the Northern Region Health Coordination Centre Vaccination Team less than two days after getting my first invite.

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Appears there is currently no syncing between the various vaccination programmes running as they are apparently not aware I am already booked in through my GP.

what you mean the vaccine program should talk to each other? that would be too easy and cost less than 38 million bucks

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#2730539 18-Jun-2021 10:15

Covid-19: Helen Clark slams WHO for opposing China travel bans, jury out on lab leak

"Australia and New Zealand were right to ban flights from China at the first sign of the pandemic last year, despite objections from the World Health Organisation and Beijing.

That is the view of former New Zealand prime minister Helen Clark, who co-chaired the international expert panel that spent a year investigating the coronavirus outbreak."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300336166/covid19-helen-clark-slams-who-for-opposing-china-travel-bans-jury-out-on-lab-leak

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#2730546 18-Jun-2021 10:39

Scott3:

Covid-19: Helen Clark slams WHO for opposing China travel bans, jury out on lab leak

"Australia and New Zealand were right to ban flights from China at the first sign of the pandemic last year, despite objections from the World Health Organisation and Beijing.

That is the view of former New Zealand prime minister Helen Clark, who co-chaired the international expert panel that spent a year investigating the coronavirus outbreak."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300336166/covid19-helen-clark-slams-who-for-opposing-china-travel-bans-jury-out-on-lab-leak

ah you beat me to it :)

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#2730554 18-Jun-2021 10:54

Today shall be known as the day the 'if it's so safe why isnt' Jacinda getting it' crowd eat their hats

While the 'OMG why do they get it first' crowd get louder.

PM is due to get a filmed jab this afternoon.

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#2730564 18-Jun-2021 11:16

Oblivian:

Today shall be known as the day the 'if it's so safe why isnt' Jacinda getting it' crowd eat their hats

While the 'OMG why do they get it first' crowd get louder.

PM is due to get a filmed jab this afternoon.

Antivax Nutters likely comments:

"She faked it - they injected water!"
"They didn't show that a magnet sticks to the injection site like with the real vaccine - they're hiding something!"

Nothing's ever going to convince many of those nutters - they're too far down the rabbit hole to ever come back.

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#2730576 18-Jun-2021 11:36

sbiddle:

Batman:

when is novavax shipping?

Probably when it's approved somewhere.. For a vaccine that offered so much potential they've pretty much lost the plot.

They announced a few days ago they're finally about to apply for FDA approval but they've had so many publicised issues I'm not sure how many vaccines they'll even be able to produce.

"For a vaccine that offered so much potential they've pretty much lost the plot."

I think you might be being a little harsh here. Novovax was always the dark horse of corona-virus vaccines maunfacturers. It's a vaccine maker that has been in business for decades, but has never actually released a vaccine to market. Given that track record, a few set backs and delay's aren't a huge surprise.

The likely reason NZ placed a large order with them is that because in early trials (primates), it was the only vaccine that could stop the virus growing in the primates noses, hence the most likely vaccine to stop transmission (rather than just symptom's). Now we know that pfizer is pritty good at stopping transmission, so that is no longer a unique selling point.

Still they are expected to be cranking out 100m doses a month by the end of the third quarter, and 150m doses a month by the end of the year. This will be a great contribution on the global scale. Still will be a massive percentage of the world vaccinated at the end of the year. Given the vaccine can be stored in the fridge, rather than needing ultracold freezers like moderna / Pfizer, yet preforms at a level in the same ballpark, I imagine it will be popular in many locations (with current low vaccination rates) once the approvals are done.

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#2730680 18-Jun-2021 14:55

UK cases continuing to escalate despite ~45% of population having had both doses and >61%, a first dose. And despite continuing lockdown restrictions. Over 11,000 new cases yesterday (Worldometers) vs <2,000 in early May.

Numbers seem to be holding so far in the US and Germany (higher proportion of mRNA vaccines).

Israel new case numbers have flattened at ~14/day average since substantial relaxation of restrictions at the start of the month despite very high proportions of the eligible population vaccinated. Previously falling sharply. Relaxed too early?

At least on face value, appears to highlight the importance of restrictions in addition to vaccination while cases are still circulating.

Israel still have border restrictions. Not as tight as ours* but they do require a COVID-19 PCR on arrival in addition to one pre departure.

(* "Those who have a valid Israel Ministry of Health vaccination or recovery certificate are not required to go into isolation upon arrival, if they do not arrive from the locations specified above"; ie. not been in (specified) destinations with highest COVID-19 risk in the 14-day period prior to arrival).

Suggests we will need a very high vaccine penetration before relaxing the border.

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#2730681 18-Jun-2021 15:01

No new community cases; 1 case of COVID-19 in managed isolation | Ministry of Health NZ

Southern DHB public health staff are continuing to assess test results after a child with an indeterminate test result for COVID-19 was identified on Stewart Island.

Further COVID-19 testing of the household members has returned negative results from swabs and serology testing.

The child’s swab is positive for rhinovirus, which causes the ‘common cold.’ If rhinovirus is in the community this could explain the cold and flu type symptoms reported in the community.

The testing centre established on Stewart Island yesterday resulted in 93 swabs being collected which will be processed over the next 2 days. We expect the first of these results to be available later this afternoon and if negative will give a high degree of assurance that COVID-19 is not circulating in the community. This will also enable a decision about the next steps for residents.

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#2730692 18-Jun-2021 15:13

DS248:

Israel new case numbers have flattened at ~14/day average since substantial relaxation of restrictions at the start of the month despite very high proportions of the eligible population vaccinated. Previously falling sharply. Relaxed too early?

At least on face value, appears to highlight the importance of restrictions in addition to vaccination while cases are still circulating.

Israel still have border restrictions. Not as tight as ours* but they do require a COVID-19 PCR on arrival in addition to one pre departure.

(* "Those who have a valid Israel Ministry of Health vaccination or recovery certificate are not required to go into isolation upon arrival, if they do not arrive from the locations specified above"; ie. not been in (specified) destinations with highest COVID-19 risk in the 14-day period prior to arrival).

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Suggests we will need a very high vaccine penetration before relaxing the border.

I think you probably need to look further than just infections though,

ICU admissions continue to grind lower... just 2 in the last week...

Vaccination is not 100% effective, so cases will get through, but in many cases it will stop you getting very sick...

NZ and Australia will at some point have to "take a stop of faith" and start to let people in without MIQ... getting that right is the next big challenge for our govts (as long as the bubble continues we both pretty much need to be in lockstep on who we let in)

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#2730700 18-Jun-2021 15:37

Cases going up in UK.
Just to note the UK numbers you usually see are % of 'vaccination age population', not necessarily of total population.
Focus is starting to come around to younger population, usual suspects saying its unnecessary.

Simple headline numbers make populations look homogeneous, but we concentrate in like minded groups which can keep things ticking along too.

Its something for the, I'll just wait and see, or Anti-Vax crowd to also consider is...

Think of their social network, so they are waiting too ?
You congregate at churches, activities, and even types of workplaces where the Anti-Vax message is strong ?
Maybe behaving in a riskier fashion not considering SARS-Cov2 a thing.
Not considering they could catch SARS-Cov2, likely to consider any symptoms just a cold or flu, and do nothing.

So are you really surrounded by vaccinated people protecting you ?

The last measles outbreak is an object lesson in this.
Relatively high vaccination rate in total population, but very low in certain concentrated social circles allowed quick spread and then fed an offshore outbreak.

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#2730702 18-Jun-2021 15:43

Case in Sydney from "fleeting contact"

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-new-restrictions-in-sydney-new-community-case/543PA4ADYNBWEHAH57H4YUGLZ4/

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