2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2748733 23-Jul-2021 14:38

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why? we stopped the bubble ... right?

They've said they had people coming in who they shouldn't have coming in. But then in the same breath gave them an extra week to come in without MIQ on certain flights.

Yes, pre-departure tests are getting checked (apparently it is getting much better) but we had months of being told that pre-departure testing was fallible and people who suggested it got told it wasn't a silver bullet.

Who to believe? All I know is I'm not doing Level 3 without Whittakers Jelly Tip. I have rights.

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#2748758 23-Jul-2021 14:59

another click bait headline

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-canadian-navy-crew-allowed-shore-leave-without-miq/KASBJDKI2P7O5YNEBPLGOOPBPM/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=nzh_fb&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1626919778

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#2748783 23-Jul-2021 15:44

Jase2985:

another click bait headline

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-canadian-navy-crew-allowed-shore-leave-without-miq/KASBJDKI2P7O5YNEBPLGOOPBPM/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=nzh_fb&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1626919778

I see from the URL tracking string you get your news from Facebook...

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#2748789 23-Jul-2021 15:46

Batman:

GV27:

Time to start panic-buying toilet paper, snack-pack popcorn and Whittakers Jelly Tip I think

why? we stopped the bubble ... right?

In a week yeah. But until them anybody that ticks any of the below boxes can come:

New Zealand citizens and holders of residence class visas;
Holders of temporary visas and Australian citizens, who last departed New Zealand after 5 April 2021;
Holders of current permanent residence visas (including a resident return visa) issued by the Government of Australia who last departed New Zealand after 5 April 2021; and
Relevant family members of people listed in the above categories. (Relevant family member means: a spouse, civil union partner, or de facto partner, a dependent child; or a parent of a dependent child. Parent, in relation to a dependent child, means a person on whom the child is dependant)

And unless from NSW, can arrive MIQ free.

The "come home now" message will see an abnormal surge in passengers.

This kind of action is only really appropriate if one considers risk currently to be tolerable, but expects risks to increase to intolerable levels over the next several weeks.

We will be on tenderhooks for the next three or so weeks (one week for the travel, plus say two weeks for any cases to go symptomatic).

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#2748790 23-Jul-2021 15:56

Looking at NSW makes it clear that we need to re-work our response to focus on the delta threat. It seems likely we will have an outbreak in the next 3 months so this work can be done in advance.

Listened to a radio interview with Michel Baker. He suggested that we need to re-work the alert level system to effectively to suit the new pathogen. Stuff like more compulsory mask wearing, compulsory contact tracing sign in at high risk locations etc.

Interestingly NSW is trying to stack vaccination on top of their normal measures, asking for other states doses of pfizer to be sent their way. And putting big priority on essential workers / workplaces.

I feel vaccination is too slow as a way out (perhaps if they think they are going to be locked down for months it will be a help). Basically 2 weeks from injection to having any protection.

But I do think we should be bumping those allowed to work at L4 up the vaccine priory queue, even if that means deferring the vaccination roll out for the general public. The likes of food factories, meatworks etc need to run at all levels and have been proven to be big vectors for transmission globally.

It is clear that with an delta outbreak we are going to need to lock down to prevent harm, so I think it would be prudent to adjust our vaccination program to target those most likely to transmit the virus in those circumstances, as opposed to those most likely to die from it.

Of course with 350k+ doses a week turning up we just need to do more vaccination full stop.

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#2748792 23-Jul-2021 15:57

GV27:

Yes, pre-departure tests are getting checked (apparently it is getting much better)

I can hardly believe it, but I'm almost certain I heard the PM say that the NZ Government has sent our officials to Australia to check at the airport the Covid Test status of passengers wishing to embark for travel to NZ.

The implication is that the Australian government was unwilling or unable to provide such a service.
And that seems pretty passive aggressive behaviour to me - I means it's not as if they're overwhelmed with the volume of travellers or anything.

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#2748805 23-Jul-2021 16:12

PolicyGuy:

GV27:

Yes, pre-departure tests are getting checked (apparently it is getting much better)

I can hardly believe it, but I'm almost certain I heard the PM say that the NZ Government has sent our officials to Australia to check at the airport the Covid Test status of passengers wishing to embark for travel to NZ.

The implication is that the Australian government was unwilling or unable to provide such a service.
And that seems pretty passive aggressive behaviour to me - I means it's not as if they're overwhelmed with the volume of travellers or anything.

You did hear right.

I assume that the story we heard the other day about the number of returnees who hadn't been checked wasn't just the slackness here, but probably unrealistic expectations of how enthusiastically they'd check in Aus - which apparently wasn't very enthusiastic at all.

So the ones who cheated have shown beyond doubt that they can't be trusted - they're a significant danger, as they wouldn't follow self-isolation rules and probably wouldn't front up for testing if they developed symptoms. Selfish dicks.

I'm happier to have our people doing the job for NZ anyway. It's a good move.

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#2748812 23-Jul-2021 16:27

PolicyGuy:

I can hardly believe it, but I'm almost certain I heard the PM say that the NZ Government has sent our officials to Australia to check at the airport the Covid Test status of passengers wishing to embark for travel to NZ.

The implication is that the Australian government was unwilling or unable to provide such a service.
And that seems pretty passive aggressive behaviour to me - I means it's not as if they're overwhelmed with the volume of travellers or anything.

I pointed out a bit back that it was likely they would need multiple fulltime staff and want someone to cover it, or boost ticket costs over and above standard border force check efforts. So not really surprising to hear. We were likely the only ones wanting the service.

The figures won't have been wrong. It would have relied on 'yes/no' honesty, and possibly 1:10 'please show me proof' that was reported on. Just like how they strike the odd person for a body scam or explosives swab

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#2748813 23-Jul-2021 16:27

Australia (our best nearest friend) have a history of not exactly going out of their way to help NZ. The cost of putting our people over there to do the job properly (and be accountable) is a pittance compared to any lockdown over here.

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#2748818 23-Jul-2021 16:37

Scott3:

Interestingly NSW is trying to stack vaccination on top of their normal measures, asking for other states doses of pfizer to be sent their way. And putting big priority on essential workers / workplaces.

That will go down like a cup of cold sick over there, probably even in other states with coalition premiers that have been far more cautious / quick to lock down than NSW.

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#2748819 23-Jul-2021 16:44

Fred99:

That will go down like a cup of cold sick over there, probably even in other states with coalition premiers that have been far more cautious / quick to lock down than NSW.

There is certainly no love lost between the Labour and Liberal Premiers,

BUT

Dan Andrews in VIC was willing to volunteer contact tracers to help out NSW today... and NSW is being classed as a national disaster and I think there will certainly be some support to help them... They all know they need to put the fire out or the embers will continue to drift across borders....

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#2748820 23-Jul-2021 16:46

Fred99:

Scott3:

Interestingly NSW is trying to stack vaccination on top of their normal measures, asking for other states doses of pfizer to be sent their way. And putting big priority on essential workers / workplaces.

That will go down like a cup of cold sick over there, probably even in other states with coalition premiers that have been far more cautious / quick to lock down than NSW.

Particularly while NSW's definition of "essential workers" includes those working in garden centres, pet shops, banks and financial institutions, hardware shops, building suppliers, and landscaping material suppliers - to name but a few

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#2748821 23-Jul-2021 16:50

PolicyGuy:

Particularly while NSW's definition of "essential workers" includes those working in garden centres, pet shops, banks and financial institutions, hardware shops, building suppliers, and landscaping material suppliers - to name but a few

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So people can carry on doing stuff while locked down and 'Working from home'. 😉

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#2748823 23-Jul-2021 17:02

PolicyGuy:

GV27:

Yes, pre-departure tests are getting checked (apparently it is getting much better)

I can hardly believe it, but I'm almost certain I heard the PM say that the NZ Government has sent our officials to Australia to check at the airport the Covid Test status of passengers wishing to embark for travel to NZ.

The implication is that the Australian government was unwilling or unable to provide such a service.
And that seems pretty passive aggressive behaviour to me - I means it's not as if they're overwhelmed with the volume of travellers or anything.

Do you mean Australia doesn't really care about exporting covid? Oh dear, fetch me my faint couch!

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#2748834 23-Jul-2021 17:34

freitasm:

Do you mean Australia doesn't really care about exporting covid? Oh dear, fetch me my faint couch!

you only have to look at Australia's policy on deporting criminals to NZ to show how much they care about what NZ thinks

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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