2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2749033 24-Jul-2021 09:15

Fred99:

They won't be able to sequence fragments to link that positive to known cases that left MIQ or from the fishing boats.

As I understand from the stuff article, it's not two samples testing positive, it's one sample tested twice to check if the first may have been a false positive.

No, its two samples

"Media release

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Earlier today ESR reported there had been a positive test result detected from a wastewater sample in New Plymouth. A follow-up sample, taken yesterday, returned a second positive result this evening."

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/covid-19-detected-new-plymouth-wastewater

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#2749035 24-Jul-2021 09:31

and they "think" it's from someone recovered/recovering ...

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#2749037 24-Jul-2021 09:39

Fred99:
sbiddle:

What's pretty clear is things are going to be very polarising when we try and open the country up in a 10-12 months when the rest of the world has moved on and fortress NZ wants to stay closed.

Doomer.

You have no idea what the situation will be in 10-12 months - here or in the rest of the world.

The response here has been and will continue to be adjusted depending on changing circumstances.

Partisan sniping doesn't help anybody or anything.

Then it'd be good if you stopped doing it.

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#2749042 24-Jul-2021 09:48

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No, its two samples

"Media release

23 July 2021

Earlier today ESR reported there had been a positive test result detected from a wastewater sample in New Plymouth. A follow-up sample, taken yesterday, returned a second positive result this evening."

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/covid-19-detected-new-plymouth-wastewater

I wonder where the second sample was taken. Same tank or another location at the wastewater plant. If the latter, there must be a lot of covid in the water to get two positive samples.

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#2749043 24-Jul-2021 09:58

celeb/VIPs get priority quarantine spots at the expense of the general public and time and again they shows who they are

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/caitlyn-jenner-angers-sydneysiders-with-hotel-quarantine-photos/BK6DJPM2UARM2JMZX7TO4D4EL4/

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#2749055 24-Jul-2021 10:35

Fred99:

sbiddle:

What's pretty clear is things are going to be very polarising when we try and open the country up in a 10-12 months when the rest of the world has moved on and fortress NZ wants to stay closed.

Doomer.

You have no idea what the situation will be in 10-12 months - here or in the rest of the world.

The response here has been and will continue to be adjusted depending on changing circumstances.

Partisan sniping doesn't help anybody or anything.

I think the point that @sbiddle was making (he can correct me if I am wrong) is that the changing circumstances are irrelevant when it comes to public opinion. A large chunk of Aotearoa New Zealand’s population are have become accustomed to fortress NZ and don’t want to open up to any risk. Many even like fortress NZ.

So when the day comes that the science says it makes sense to start opening up, it will be very polarising with the public.

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#2749060 24-Jul-2021 10:44

dafman:

So when the day comes that the science says it makes sense to start opening up, it will be very polarising with the public.

that will definitely polarise the public.

coz this virus got science beat up and slapped silly right from day 1 to where we are now.

it all started with science <-> don't wear a mask and we've gone one big merry go round and now nobody trusts nobody.

it's not a black and white

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#2749070 24-Jul-2021 10:59

Handle9:

Then it'd be good if you stopped doing it.

That's hilarious.

There's a lot of partisan whining in here. Desperate to dismiss every success as luck, giving the impression they'd be happier with failure. Sad.

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#2749072 24-Jul-2021 11:03

wellygary:

No, its two samples

Thanks. The Stuff article didn't seem very clear.

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#2749080 24-Jul-2021 11:07

dafman:

So when the day comes that the science says it makes sense to start opening up, it will be very polarising with the public.

Yep. All the more reason to challenge wild doomer predictions now.

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#2749081 24-Jul-2021 11:08

Batman:
celeb/VIPs get priority quarantine spots at the expense of the general public and time and again they shows who they are

There's a plane load of rugby people likely to do the same in a few weeks.

And come sept, 300 back from Tokyo. Which no doubt are why there is a crunch now, or another location is sitting idle ready to be spun up and house.

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#2749084 24-Jul-2021 11:19

Sounds like NSW chief medical officer is saying theydon't expect to be able to eliminate covid now and the plan is to live with it until they get everyone vaccinated.

abc news link

This is consistent with their previous positions of not eliminating butt means they will be in lockdown until Xmas or beyond. The other states in Aussie are pissed off to put it mildly.

Can't see the bible opening again this year if this is the case

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#2749088 24-Jul-2021 11:36

sbiddle:

Viewing the bubble as only about financials is the first big mistake - it was never about that. It was predicted that the vast majority of bubble travelers would be friends and family reconnecting, and that's exactly what happened. It also allowed a significant number of people who are reliant on travel to work to return to work. I'm not sure that the "economic benefits" of the bubble really has to do with why we should or shouldn't have a bubble.

The past few months has just further demonstrated there was no good reason for not having had a two way bubble since last year when Australia opened their one way bubble.

What's pretty clear is things are going to be very polarising when we try and open the country up in a 10-12 months when the rest of the world has moved on and fortress NZ wants to stay closed.

Right. So let people fly around knowing the media will instantly latch into a rabid stream of "Oh, there's a lockdown and I am stranded, poor me" clickbait articles, all while not having any economical benefits and setting up for the opposition to be stupid.

Yes, sure, seems logical.

The bubble should never been opened, at least until we had vaccination levels that would allow it to happen without the lockdowns.

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#2749095 24-Jul-2021 11:47

KrazyKid: Sounds like NSW chief medical officer is saying theydon't expect to be able to eliminate covid now and the plan is to live with it until they get everyone vaccinated.

abc news link

This is consistent with their previous positions of not eliminating butt means they will be in lockdown until Xmas or beyond. The other states in Aussie are pissed off to put it mildly.

Can't see the bible opening again this year if this is the case

waiting for the rest of AU to respond

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#2749155 24-Jul-2021 12:38

Fred99:

sbiddle:

What's pretty clear is things are going to be very polarising when we try and open the country up in a 10-12 months when the rest of the world has moved on and fortress NZ wants to stay closed.

Doomer.

You have no idea what the situation will be in 10-12 months - here or in the rest of the world.

The response here has been and will continue to be adjusted depending on changing circumstances.

Partisan sniping doesn't help anybody or anything.

I think it's pretty clear now how at least the next 6 months will pan out across the world. Short of a new global super strain that bypasses current vaccines I also think it's pretty clear how the next 12 months will pan out as well.

The world is going to continue to open up, and the new post Covid normal world will become reality. Everybody will get on with their lives and live with this new normal. There will be a global pandemic of the unvaccinated and we'll simply see Covid numbers continue to grow as those who are unwilling to be vaccinated will become ill and many will die. Eventually the virus will die out due to increased vaccination and a lack of hosts.

It doesn't matter what side of the political spectrum you fall under, the simply fact is we cannot continue exactly how we are now beyond the middle of next year when our MIQ is scheduled to be dismantled or the country will become crippled. With no plans by the government to do anything about the broken MIQ system rather than put cover their ears when people criticise it, the critisicms are only going to grow much stronger as people's ability to carry on with their normal lives and business to engage with the new world become increasingly problematic.

Fortress NZ has to be dismantled but the problem is that a growing number of people are happy with fortress NZ. Because the PM has shut down discussion created by people like Bloomfield when they tried to raise the issue of an endemic virus, it's going to take time (and seeing the rest of the world over the next 6+ months) for a growing number of people here to realise the implications of Covid as an endemic virus that will infect those who willingly chose to not be vaccinated. Once that happens there will be a lot more support for keeping the borders shut and stopping everybody from visiting, and managing this is potentially going to be an incredibly difficult balancing act for the government.

Once everybody in NZ who wants to be vaccinated has had the opportunity by the end of the year, the risks levels don't change significantly between a reopening in January 2022 or a reopening in Jan 2023 - Covid will still exist in the world, and it will still cause the same harm to the unvaccinated when it does come past our borders.

When you look at the current impact of the RSV breakout on our health system, it becomes pretty clear that any sort of loosening of restrictions in the middle of winter is a crazy idea, but with signals already by the government already not to expect any sort of large scale opening in early 2022 it's going to mean either doing that, or simply keeping fortress NZ in place for longer which will only cause more pain for the country.

Our borders are aligned far more closely with Australia that many people realise, and even more so now. Whatever happens will probably be both countries together, much like the original lockdown strategy in 2020 where we followed Australia's plans.

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