2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2749399 25-Jul-2021 08:54

sbiddle:

Australia has now announced they've ordered 85 million does of Pfizer for delivery in 2022 and 2023 and plans to start booster doses from February next year.

I wonder how far NZ have got with planning for this or whether we'll be back of the queue again?

Australian government is in the midst of an utter PR shambles. Ordering vaccine boosters now for delivery not until 2022 is a publicity stunt.

The global "squeeze" on vaccine delivery is now.

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#2749403 25-Jul-2021 09:04

Buster:

I doubt there is much appetite for this. I do wonder if this idea is behind the low uptake of vaccination at our ports/border workers. 'Pay us already' to get the jab.

Where does it end? Do we need to pay everyone to get booster shots too?

Maybe a few of them need to see/experience Delta first hand for the message to get through.

Some people learn things the hard way. That's just the way it is.

Agree, no appetite. It wont speed up vaccination. Many of the 23% (survey) of eligibles are normal people who heard stories, once the hyper stories of Delta are read (and they will be correct) more will vaccinate. The others, they will catch it and get immunity

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#2749407 25-Jul-2021 09:18

tdgeek:

[ The others, they will catch it and get immunity

...or die.

And to think that Covid can cause brain damage - yet all of them are dumber than a bag of hammers to start with.

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#2749408 25-Jul-2021 09:18

sbiddle:

Australia has now announced they've ordered 85 million does of Pfizer for delivery in 2022 and 2023 and plans to start booster doses from February next year.

I wonder how far NZ have got with planning for this or whether we'll be back of the queue again?

it won't matter we don't have anyone who knows how to use them jabs

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#2749421 25-Jul-2021 10:22

Batman:

i'm still seething that after 2 years they had not trained any staff to poke needles.

What annoys me and others that volunteered for the "Surge Workforce" is that only a handful were ever called to arms.

When I went and had my jabs, the person at the computer table was a Social Worker pulled out of her normal job to do the registration process. So that is one qualified professional not out in the community where they a urgently needed. The nurse who jabbed me was a paediatric nurse who did the Nursing Boards COVID online vaccination course so is now not on the ward in these horrible RSV emergency times.

My point is, that when I put my hand up for the Surge Work force March last year I dearly hoped I would not be called up. But NZ was lucky and we dodged a bullet 🤞BUT now with our vaccination program I was again asked if I was interested in helping out. I said yes and that I was quite computer savvy etc. What do I see now is qualified people being pulled from their normal professional jobs to sit down at computers doing admin work and other professionals doing jabs. Both of these groups are sadly needed in their normal jobs.

There was/is approximately 3000 in the "Surge Workforce" and we are NOT BEING UTILISED ❗️

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2749424 25-Jul-2021 10:40

I've just been having a look at the MoH model and planned targets.

Now that there are no vaccine constraints the pressure is going to be on - as are the comparisons with the targets. We'd planned to give just under 208,000 vaccines for the week ending 25/7 which is a massive increase on the 135,848 we gave during the week ending 18/7. This coming week we're planning to give just over 254,000 according to the model.

It'll be interesting to see how well we're going to be able to ramp up, because the news late last week showed that might be very problematic.

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#2749425 25-Jul-2021 10:41

Batman: i'm still seething that after 2 years they had not trained any staff to poke needles.

2 years?

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#2749432 25-Jul-2021 11:28

The planned vs actual link to follow

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data#model

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#2749449 25-Jul-2021 13:03

FineWine:
Batman:

i'm still seething that after 2 years they had not trained any staff to poke needles.

What annoys me and others that volunteered for the "Surge Workforce" is that only a handful were ever called to arms.

When I went and had my jabs, the person at the computer table was a Social Worker pulled out of her normal job to do the registration process. So that is one qualified professional not out in the community where they a urgently needed. The nurse who jabbed me was a paediatric nurse who did the Nursing Boards COVID online vaccination course so is now not on the ward in these horrible RSV emergency times.

My point is, that when I put my hand up for the Surge Work force March last year I dearly hoped I would not be called up. But NZ was lucky and we dodged a bullet 🤞BUT now with our vaccination program I was again asked if I was interested in helping out. I said yes and that I was quite computer savvy etc. What do I see now is qualified people being pulled from their normal professional jobs to sit down at computers doing admin work and other professionals doing jabs. Both of these groups are sadly needed in their normal jobs.

There was/is approximately 3000 in the "Surge Workforce" and we are NOT BEING UTILISED ❗️

I know right. I suggested getting retired health workers because that way you don't have to pull out staff from the already strained workforce. But that's beyond my pay grade

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#2749450 25-Jul-2021 13:08

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/125824369/covid-19-vulnerable-kiwis-still-waiting-as-next-vaccine-stage-begins

Interesting article on the rollout, and about why Level 4's can access it while Level 3 is still underway, and why GP's weren't involved.

Until now, we were vaccinating all our supplies as we got them, so I don't see an issue why GP's weren't involved. Now we have much larger orders and GP's are now involved. One larger company I am aware of has applied to be a vaccination centre. Now we have supplies, now it can be all hands on deck.

Some are saying delay vaccinations until Level 3 is done. I thought we want everyone vaccinated sooner but they suggest later

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#2749451 25-Jul-2021 13:08

NSW 141, 86 known. And record test numbers

It's not 163, or 136, but it ain't flash

2 more fatality

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#2749452 25-Jul-2021 13:11

Oblivian: 141, 86 known. And record test numbers

It's not 163, or 136, but it ain't flash

2 more fatality

Its treading water, so thats is I guess something. It could be exponentialising (is that a word? :-) ) Its more or less flatlining, thats something.

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#2749453 25-Jul-2021 13:14

Given yesterday I guess that's to be seen in the near future, but yes

These airline staff and people flying with aren't helping though

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#2749469 25-Jul-2021 14:18

Oblivian: Given yesterday I guess that's to be seen in the near future, but yes

These airline staff and people flying with aren't helping though

I think I heard 7000 when driving yesterday, are getting out of Dodge and into nZ. All states though, but I dont know how many have ventured to NSW or VIC

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#2749502 25-Jul-2021 17:16

Australia,

At least number has stabalised, looking at Taiwan as an example its taken almost 2 months to get down to 15 cases.
Its a longer tougher grind with variants it seems.
https://taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2021/07/19/2003761087

A combination of younger active mobile people and variants that are a few more days ahead of contact tracing.

People staging superspreader events is really helping to support community and end this. Ruperts Covidiots
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/sydney-anti-lockdown-rally-could-be-covid-19-superspreader-event/100321006

It will be a long fight, due to this. So estimates of September are not out of court. Unless Covidiots have their way.

A reminder of sequence of events and how from little breaches, and being slow to move on a fast moving situation pans out.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/covid19-delta-variant-lockdowns-how-we-got-here/100318394

An unvaccinated limousine driver working quarantine transfer picks up a Fedex Aircrew at Airport.
Infectious since June 11 tests positive on June 15.
If Aircrew were tested immediately, and contact tracing done then maybe taxi driver would have been caught days earlier.
I think in the past Hong Kong had some connected to Airfreight Aircrew
Taiwan looks like Aircrew in that case given high trust self isolation of only 5 days, which was a different problem.

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