2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2752620 30-Jul-2021 18:35

Re the vaccine event, maybe I'm biased. Its not a Kiwi invention, its based on a Canadian model. Its very much a flow event, everyone in an aisle, and just follow the flow and vaccinate 1 every 90 seconds, easy. But the plebs need to follow this flow, like sheep, then it's easy. IMHO the people aren't doing their bit. It can't be hard to manage a line of people, but if they upset the apple cart it goes backward from there. This is a big deal. If a "main event" can do 16000 in a weekend, that's a huge boost to the weekly need.

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#2752643 30-Jul-2021 19:36

An absolutely scathing editorial in the Melbourne Age:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nation-pays-cost-of-nsw-leadership-failure-20210729-p58dy0.html

(it's accurate, well-written, and informative)

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#2752670 30-Jul-2021 21:05

Australia's national cabinet meeting had just got PM Morrison on board with the facts of life. The new new plan is short sharp lockdowns until 70% of the adult (16+) population is vaccinated. Then they look at opening up and trying to treat it like the flu.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-30/national-cabinet-update-covid19-support-vaccine-targets/100338334

Reporters could not resist asking him if he regretted publicly praising and supporting the NSW premier and her no lockdown policy just a few weeks ago

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#2752676 30-Jul-2021 21:47

'CDC document warns Delta variant appears to spread as easily as chickenpox and cause more severe infection'

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/29/politics/cdc-masks-covid-19-infections/index.html

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The CDC presentation says the Delta variant is about as transmissible as chickenpox, with each infected person, on average, infecting eight or nine others. ...

... the report did not surprise her. "It was the synthesis of the data all in one place that was sobering" ...

"The bottom line was that, in contrast to the other variants, vaccinated people, even if they didn't get sick, got infected and shed virus at similar levels as unvaccinated people who got infected" ...'

It is information we are already aware of but it provides further confirmation.

Together with the upsurge of cases in several highly vaccinated countries , evidence of transmission from vaccinated people, and the increasing evidence of waning vaccine effectiveness over a matter of 3 - 4 months, it does raise questions about the risk of virus leakage from our border.

Can only hope that having a vaccinated border workforce has not lowered their guard in terms of PPE and physical distancing.

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#2752727 31-Jul-2021 07:01

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/breakthrough-infection-masks-cdc-provincetown-study/index.html

"A new study shows the Delta Covid-19 variant produced similar amounts of virus in vaccinated and unvaccinated people if they get infected -- illustrating a key motivation behind the federal guidance that now recommends most fully vaccinated Americans wear masks indoors."

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#2752728 31-Jul-2021 07:02

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/delta-variant-covid-19-questions-answered/index.html

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#2752750 31-Jul-2021 09:56

This is troubling. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

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#2752756 31-Jul-2021 10:19

Eva888: This is troubling. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

Hospitalizations and deaths lower or same?

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#2752763 31-Jul-2021 10:31

Eva888: This is troubling. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

It's probably not as troubling as many people have hyped this up to be.

We always knew Covid spread would occur in those who were unvaccinated. There have been very few vaccines that have ever been created that eliminate transmission - the goal is to protect the person who has been vaccinated from serious illness or death. As more people become vaccinated, the more people who are going to get Covid will be vaccinated.

One thing I'm really keen to know is where Novavax sit in this - they're the only vaccine demonstrated in chimpanzee tests to eliminate the virus in airways. For a vaccine that promised so much potential in late 2020 it's been a massive failure with company and production issues that have meant they don't even yet have FDA approval (it's still maybe Sep-Oct).

If their vaccine still delivers good protection against Delta it still has potential to be huge as a potential booster dose.

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#2752826 31-Jul-2021 11:20

No queues today at the vaccine event, yesterday was found to be due to people coming early, and its working well today. One every 90 seconds.

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#2752829 31-Jul-2021 11:23

sbiddle:

Eva888: This is troubling. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

It's probably not as troubling as many people have hyped this up to be.

We always knew Covid spread would occur in those who were unvaccinated. There have been very few vaccines that have ever been created that eliminate transmission - the goal is to protect the person who has been vaccinated from serious illness or death. As more people become vaccinated, the more people who are going to get Covid will be vaccinated.

No doubt its helping but the concern is viral load seems similar to unvaccinated, and 274 have symptoms, 4 in hospital. I assume as Delta is more serious the level of effect on vaccinated also rises.

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#2752846 31-Jul-2021 13:02

sbiddle:

It's probably not as troubling as many people have hyped this up to be.

It's actually far less troubling than suggested:

The data published Friday was based on 469 cases of Covid associated with multiple summer events and large public gatherings held in July in Barnstable County, Massachusetts, which encompasses Cape Cod and is just outside Martha’s Vineyard. The events were held in Provincetown, according to NBC News. Approximately three-quarters, or 74%, of the cases occurred in fully vaccinated people who had completed a two-dose course of the mRNA vaccines or received a single shot of Johnson & Johnson’s.

These events are associated with "bear week".

I don't need to explain further than to say if you bunch together tens of thousands of people to party together when a significant % of those people are immunocompromised is not a smart move in the middle of a global pandemic, vaccinated or not.

That article in CNBC is "fake news" IMO. They're doing a public disservice by not reporting accurately.

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#2752847 31-Jul-2021 13:10

Don’t know about fake news. TV 1 also carrying an extensive report.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/delta-variant-study-vaccinated-people-can-carry-much-virus-others

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#2752857 31-Jul-2021 13:27

New highly potent, stable nanobodies developed that efficiently block Sars-CoV-2 and current variants

https://www.mpg.de/17271996/0722-nanobodies

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#2752860 31-Jul-2021 13:33

DS248:

New highly potent, stable nanobodies developed that efficiently block Sars-CoV-2 and current variants

https://www.mpg.de/17271996/0722-nanobodies

If you needed anything to stir the stupid, it'd be mentioning "nano" anything.

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