2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2752863 31-Jul-2021 13:40

freitasm:

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If you needed anything to stir the stupid, it'd be mentioning "nano" anything.

The stupid will be stupid regardless .. will always find something to object to?

The Max Planck Institute for Biophysical Chemistry seem happy to use the term

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#2752876 31-Jul-2021 14:33

Eva888: Don’t know about fake news. TV 1 also carrying an extensive report.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/delta-variant-study-vaccinated-people-can-carry-much-virus-others

Well TV1 didn't bother to look very hard at the story they syndicated from AP.

This has been an ongoing problem. Clickbait headlines and incomplete stories.

What your seeing there is a cluster of breakthrough cases in vaccinated gay men who gather together in the the tens of thousands for an annual holiday festival. It's not representative of trends in the general community.

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#2752893 31-Jul-2021 15:14

Just wanted to share my experience with getting vaccinated. Booked on Wednesday for a Thursday appointment, turned up at Mt Wellington vaccination centre around 5 minutes early, fast check-in. Waited for around 5 minutes and was sent to a room. The vaccinator was lovely, thoroughly explained everything, and then jabbed me. I didn't even realise it had gone in - normally with the flu vac I get a bit of short, sharp pain, but nothing with this one. The worst part was the sanitiser gel she rubbed on the site before the injection (cold).

Sat in the waiting area for 20 minutes or so, someone came and looked at my arm, and then I was free to go. Made it back to the office with 30 minutes to spare.

Really efficient, really easy, really pleasant. My arm was a little tender for the next 24 hours but I've had zero other side effects.

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#2752897 31-Jul-2021 15:28

Super!

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#2752900 31-Jul-2021 15:38

Snap lockdown in Qld

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-snap-lockdown-in-queensland-after-6-new-cases/MEYN2GJ55IGA7KOBIVANUNZWFA/

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#2752905 31-Jul-2021 15:50

Fred99:

Eva888: Don’t know about fake news. TV 1 also carrying an extensive report.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/delta-variant-study-vaccinated-people-can-carry-much-virus-others

Well TV1 didn't bother to look very hard at the story they syndicated from AP.

This has been an ongoing problem. Clickbait headlines and incomplete stories.

What your seeing there is a cluster of breakthrough cases in vaccinated gay men who gather together in the the tens of thousands for an annual holiday festival. It's not representative of trends in the general community.

I am a little bit concerned with the inference of gay men being at fault here.

Yes the resort town of Provincetown, Mass., is popular with gay men but the actual CDC report and advisory following this small outbreak makes no mention of the populations sexual orientation. The quick read I did of the report even mentions that of the 469 cases reported, 42% of those positive were actual residents of the town.

Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, Including COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections, Associated with Large Public Gatherings — Barnstable County, Massachusetts, July 2021

Though this outbreak has been mentioned in the gay USA press (www.ebar.com & www.washingtonblade.com) etc, we do not want it to be turned into gay bashing for the right wing press in any country

Please! we do not want to add oil to Trump and his fascist supporters homophobic and racist fire, it was bad enough in the eighties and nineties with the HIV/AIDS.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2752908 31-Jul-2021 16:05

Hopefully we're mature enough here.

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#2753002 31-Jul-2021 17:44

95% of British adults still wearing a mask when out, says survey
Figure same as before legal requirement relaxed, while most still feel that complying with other Covid safety measures is important
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/30/95-of-british-adults-still-wearing-a-mask-outdoors-says-survey

Could the dropping case rate in UK be a result of people continuing to be cautious, combining with vaccines.
We may not have seen the full effect of restrictions being reduced yet, another week to two to show ?

Though viruses do go in waves, so maybe its a dead cat bounce.

UK rate of infection is still 400 per Million though, Fiji about 1000 per million, USA 253 per million, Taiwan 0.76
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-cases

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#2753011 31-Jul-2021 18:03

Batman: Snap lockdown in Qld

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-snap-lockdown-in-queensland-after-6-new-cases/MEYN2GJ55IGA7KOBIVANUNZWFA/

Good response. May not be big deal but it may be, so they lock it in

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#2753012 31-Jul-2021 18:05

antonknee:

Just wanted to share my experience with getting vaccinated. Booked on Wednesday for a Thursday appointment, turned up at Mt Wellington vaccination centre around 5 minutes early, fast check-in. Waited for around 5 minutes and was sent to a room. The vaccinator was lovely, thoroughly explained everything, and then jabbed me. I didn't even realise it had gone in - normally with the flu vac I get a bit of short, sharp pain, but nothing with this one. The worst part was the sanitiser gel she rubbed on the site before the injection (cold).

Sat in the waiting area for 20 minutes or so, someone came and looked at my arm, and then I was free to go. Made it back to the office with 30 minutes to spare.

Really efficient, really easy, really pleasant. My arm was a little tender for the next 24 hours but I've had zero other side effects.

Cool. My MIL who lives with us went in today, 2-30pm appointment. Many people there, in and out, did the 20 minutes, efficient.

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#2753019 31-Jul-2021 18:21

The story from above links;
*scientists who studied a big Covid-19 outbreak in the US state of Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots.*

I don’t think it’s relevant that the people tested may have been gay. The scientists (not fake journalists) found that vaccinated people carried the same amount of the virus as those who didn’t get the shots. Therefore we can still both catch Covid and pass it on vaccinated or not. Clearly that’s a pretty big issue. Maybe we need a bigger hammer than the one we currently have. Some Kiwi ingenuity needed fast.

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#2753024 31-Jul-2021 18:36

Eva888:
The story from above links;
*scientists who studied a big Covid-19 outbreak in the US state of Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots.*

I don’t think it’s relevant that the people tested may have been gay. The scientists (not fake journalists) found that vaccinated people carried the same amount of the virus as those who didn’t get the shots. Therefore we can still both catch Covid and pass it on vaccinated or not. Clearly that’s a pretty big issue. Maybe we need a bigger hammer than the one we currently have. Some Kiwi ingenuity needed fast.

Agree. Gay people like to get together, so do teens, so do fans of the hot XYZ rock group.

The past told us that vaccinated has less viral load so while its easy to get infected in the nasal and throat areas, viral load was low. But Delta seems to show its as high now, and infection rate is higher, and the health effect is higher.

A year ago, Covid was for most, annoying, not harsh. Now, its harsh, spreadable by the vaccinated, and the vaccinated get symptoms or hospitalisation more than Alpha with vaccine.

It may be moving from a problem to a plague. I don't use these words lightly. We may in fact need a new vaccine. And if these numbers, issues, ad the threat grows. it will grow in the media, and the masses here may want to keep the borders shut longer (just speculation, this is very much a moving target)

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#2753049 31-Jul-2021 20:14

freitasm:

DS248:

New highly potent, stable nanobodies developed that efficiently block Sars-CoV-2 and current variants

https://www.mpg.de/17271996/0722-nanobodies

If you needed anything to stir the stupid, it'd be mentioning "nano" anything.

Very small things confuse very small minds.

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#2753144 1-Aug-2021 09:18

FineWine:

I am a little bit concerned with the inference of gay men being at fault here.

As well as that I'm a little concerned that the inference could be taken that "vaccines don't work" against Delta, thus "don't bother being vaccinated".

Of the 1,000 cases only 7 required hospitalisation. 60,000 people were in town partying hard for a fortnight, 59,000 (of whom you can't know how many were exposed - but surely "many") did not get C-19. That's about what you'd expect from efficacy trials anyway - the vaccines aren't 100% effective - but vaccines work. The high viral load count in breakthrough cases is "interesting" but possible contributing factors need to be excluded.

Perhaps the story shouldn't have been made public by CDC in the first place (if ever), at least until more data was available. Of course then the lunatics would claim that "there's a cover up".

I think there have been studies carried out including HIV positive participants but the numbers were too small to get meaningful results, you'd expect HIV would have an impact. Usual disclaimer that HIV isn't a "gay men" disease. 40 years of evidence shows that it isn't.

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#2753145 1-Aug-2021 09:33

From SMH - the outbreak is 100% Delta".

The critical role that vaccines will play in propelling Australia out of the pandemic is underscored by new data from the federal Health Department that shows just one per cent of the 2702 people who have caught COVID-19 in Sydney’s Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated. Of the 15 people who were fully vaccinated but still caught COVID, none needed hospitalisation and none died.

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