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  #2753593 2-Aug-2021 12:20
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Oblivian:

 

I didn't know what to make of this yesterday.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccination-rollout-racist-and-upholding-privilege-expert/7GAMOAVT2E3RMPPYATGRXERODQ/ 

 

Seem to recall the far north had open walk-ins and invites quite early on in the stage in the fear they would be decimated by a breakout. To the point where they locked out other regions visiting to make use of the offers. There has been jabs offered at numerous Marae and private entities since?. 

 

And there was also the big educational push at pacific/maori churches and organizations to come forward.

 

Surely if the numbers aren't stacking up, it's far likely the people not taking advantage after the marketing and attempts than exclusion. Think they should be surveying population rather than asking for the confirmed jab rates to prove the point?.

 

 

When I see a headline like that I don't generally don't bother reading the article. It's usually about someone who is pushing the victim barrow. 

 

I tend to agree with your comment about people not taking up the opportunity to have the vaccination rather than not being offered the vaccination.

 

The roll out has had "racist" and privileged elements in some areas but not in the way that article claims. There is a local vaccine centre set up at a Maori health centre specifically for the Maori population* while there hasn't been an equivalent centre for other ethnicities. That is "racist" and privilege in my opinion. I don't have a problem with it, we have to use whatever means we can to protect all of our population.

 

*I understand that while it is targeted at Maori they will vaccinate anyone.





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  #2753657 2-Aug-2021 13:23
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Technofreak:

 

There is a local vaccine centre set up at a Maori health centre specifically for the Maori population* while there hasn't been an equivalent centre for other ethnicities. That is "racist" and privilege in my opinion. I don't have a problem with it, we have to use whatever means we can to protect all of our population.

 

 

I don't want to get into an off-topic flamewar about racism, so won't reply further on this particular issue. But what is the benefit of this "privilege"? The ability to get vaccinated without having to drive somewhere? Whilst that's "nice" and "convenient" and a "luxury" for people with ready access to cars, it's essential for the rest. Let's not forget that (e.g.) vaccination was taken to Stewart Island... I don't see taking it to a transport-limited group in Northland as very different. Any time assistance is given to the underprivileged, Maori will be significant benefactors, not because they are brown-skinned but because they are poor. So I don't think it's "privilege" or "racism" to remove obstacles to getting vaccinated. And remember, we *all* benefit every time someone is vaccinated.

 

 


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  #2753659 2-Aug-2021 13:32
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Something about something in the treaty of waitangi as the people of the land having guaranteed equal outcomes.



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  #2753660 2-Aug-2021 13:45
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As one of the talking heads on the Political TV shows opined this weekend that, Every 5 years we used to have the Ststs department come door knocking for the census, (we'll skip over the last one which deviated from that and ending up a huge POS).

 

also every 3 years political parties find the resources to pretty much door knock every house in an effort to get your vote, or get you out to vote..

 

COVID vaccination is going to end up like this...  particularly in regions that don't reach high levels after the initial  campaign,   they should be able to even take vaccines to you and give you a jab at your door..

 

People will say "what about the cost"... but the answer is simply "what is the cost of not doing it".... likely lockdowns and deaths of vulnerable populations.... 

 

Every arm inoculated is another small step to keeping it out of NZ....


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  #2753718 2-Aug-2021 14:01
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Fred99:

 

A nutter like Tamaki is a household name in NZ,  his brand of religious lunacy is highly successful.  Hardly anybody would be able to name the leaders of any of the "mainstream" religions.

 

 

Most would know who the pope is. Apart from that, Pol Pot has better name recognition than Konrad Adenauer. I don't think that is particularly relevant.

 

 





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  #2753724 2-Aug-2021 14:29
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Vaccination numbers slowly ticking up... and the headline numbers will now come out daily 

 

"More than 1.94 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine have been administered to date (to 11.59pm on 1 August).
Of these, 1.2 million are first doses and more than 740,000 are second doses."

 

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data

 

A bit of envelope maths shows with 22K doses yesterday , an average of 40K doses for the remaining 4 days since the last update on the 27th. ( although its likely Saturday was a little lighter than the weekdays so we are probably hitting 42K a weekday)...

 

This should mean we do ~250-270K for the week taking us to over 2M doses by the end of tomorrow... ( 7 days since the last update) 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 
 
 

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  #2753870 2-Aug-2021 16:26
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Batman:

my vegans mates on the other hand ... they aren't.

 

do i judge vegans nope.

 

 

Like other proselytising religions, veganism is often used as an excuse to engage various predjudices under the excuse of "... because I'm an X", sigh.

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  #2753872 2-Aug-2021 16:35
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https://www.vox.com/2019/6/19/18681930/religion-vaccine-refusal

 

Good article from before C-19,  This graphic also shows that NZ isn't (or wasn't) up to speed in 2018.  I hope some of these nutters - almost 30% of us - have changed their minds.

 

 

 


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  #2753877 2-Aug-2021 16:43
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Fred99:

 

https://www.vox.com/2019/6/19/18681930/religion-vaccine-refusal

 

Good article from before C-19,  This graphic also shows that NZ isn't (or wasn't) up to speed in 2018.  I hope some of these nutters - almost 30% of us - have changed their minds.

 

 

Normally freedom is a good thing and I'm in favour of people making decisions around issues that affect them.

 

Normally I wouldn't worry about deniers because when they make their decision they're self-selecting their genes out of the gene pool.

 

Unfortunately, some of these people have children and will no doubt deny them protection as well.

 

 





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  #2753881 2-Aug-2021 16:53
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wellygary:

 

Vaccination numbers slowly ticking up... and the headline numbers will now come out daily 

 

"More than 1.94 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine have been administered to date (to 11.59pm on 1 August).
Of these, 1.2 million are first doses and more than 740,000 are second doses."

 

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data

 

A bit of envelope maths shows with 22K doses yesterday , an average of 40K doses for the remaining 4 days since the last update on the 27th. ( although its likely Saturday was a little lighter than the weekdays so we are probably hitting 42K a weekday)...

 

This should mean we do ~250-270K for the week taking us to over 2M doses by the end of tomorrow... ( 7 days since the last update) 

 

 

Puts our 7-day average vaccination rate above the AU rate for the first time (other than for short periods back in Feb & May when ours was fractionally higher).

 

Latest is ~8% higher but will need to ramp up more. Will require more than 50k per day (average 7 days a week) to reach the stated target of 8m doses by late Nov ('Original cumulative vaccinations model').


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  #2753883 2-Aug-2021 16:55
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neb:
Batman:

 

my vegans mates on the other hand ... they aren't.

 

do i judge vegans nope.

 

Like other proselytising religions, veganism is often used as an excuse to engage various predjudices under the excuse of "... because I'm an X", sigh.

 

I won't hold back.

 

I certainly will judge anti-vaxxers.  Their selfish stupid actions will kill innocent people.  They deserve zero tolerance.

 

As for vegans, the two of you are in la-la land.  I know many vegans, all of them have either been vaccinated or plan to be vaccinated.  There's not one valid reason why any would object, most of the ones I know seem to use science (and morality/animal welfare) to justify veganism.  Do I agree with them?  In many ways I do.

 

OTOH all the people I know who are anti-vax are religious.  Many are Christian, but many are into woo-woo new-age "alternative health" tied in with religious/spiritual beliefs. That's not to say that all the religious people I know are anti-vax - certainly not.  But it is a big problem, and particularly so in pacific communities - who for the other usual reasons (poverty and overcrowding) are at hugely increased risk.

 

Any Christians who think I'm "picking on their religion" need to get a grip.  I'm not. 


 
 
 

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  #2753890 2-Aug-2021 17:11
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DS248:

 

Latest is ~8% higher but will need to ramp up more. Will require more than 50k per day (average 7 days a week) to reach the stated target of 8m doses by late Nov ('Original cumulative vaccinations model').

 

 

But we all know its highly unlikely, 8 million doses would be pretty much 100% of the target population....

 

If we were to get 90% coverage that would be 3.6 million ppl, or 7.2 million doses, or an additional 5.2 million (subtract the 2 million already done)  5.2 million over 122 days is just over 42K per day...


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  #2753891 2-Aug-2021 17:19
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elpenguino:

 

Normally I wouldn't worry about deniers because when they make their decision they're self-selecting their genes out of the gene pool.

 

Unfortunately, some of these people have children and will no doubt deny them protection as well.

 

 

They're an infection risk for everybody.

 

C-19 is going to be an endemic disease that kills people - like 'flu but much much worse - for the foreseeable future.

 

Their actions will sabotage everything we've sacrificed.  The problem isn't so much that they'll be suffocating on their own jellified lung tissue. I don't want any of them on a plane or a bus, or in a restaurant, or in a shop or any other public place where their selfish behaviour kills innocent people. The only alternative to "excluding" them is accepting that the elderly, transplant recipients, cancer patients, people with immune disorders etc - can no longer live as close as possible to normal lives in society.  Morally, their cries for "freedumb" do not stack up - not even close.  They are evil.

 

 


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  #2753960 2-Aug-2021 18:11
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wellygary:

 

But we all know its highly unlikely, 8 million doses would be pretty much 100% of the target population....

 

If we were to get 90% coverage that would be 3.6 million ppl, or 7.2 million doses, or an additional 5.2 million (subtract the 2 million already done)  5.2 million over 122 days is just over 42K per day...

 

 

Was that based on 12+ or 18+ ?

 

(sorry - too lazy to look up or work out for myself)


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  #2754034 2-Aug-2021 20:34
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Fred99:

elpenguino:


Normally I wouldn't worry about deniers because when they make their decision they're self-selecting their genes out of the gene pool.


Unfortunately, some of these people have children and will no doubt deny them protection as well.



They're an infection risk for everybody.


C-19 is going to be an endemic disease that kills people - like 'flu but much much worse - for the foreseeable future.


Their actions will sabotage everything we've sacrificed.  The problem isn't so much that they'll be suffocating on their own jellified lung tissue. I don't want any of them on a plane or a bus, or in a restaurant, or in a shop or any other public place where their selfish behaviour kills innocent people. The only alternative to "excluding" them is accepting that the elderly, transplant recipients, cancer patients, people with immune disorders etc - can no longer live as close as possible to normal lives in society.  Morally, their cries for "freedumb" do not stack up - not even close.  They are evil.


 




If you want to get vaccinated that's fine but what other people do is up to them and none of your business especially considering you can still catch covid after 2 doses of vaccine. Im not anti vaxx but will be sitting this one out and the idea that should be restricted in my Daily life because of a personal choice doesn't well with me. I thought we lived in a democracy not a communist dictatorship.

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