2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2778505 14-Sep-2021 22:09

Geektastic: Willfully and deliberately breaking the law ought to get any lawyer struck off.

Not necessarily. Speeding is usually deliberate and doesn't usually result in a lawyer getting struck off.

I imagine they will get called before the standards committee for misconduct under the disgraceful or dishonourable section of the act.

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#2778513 14-Sep-2021 22:53

And back to actual covid topics....

(we don't need 2 equally filled threads focused on said absconders)

There is some 'mystery case' focus now it is in the similar light to public

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-what-we-know-about-aucklands-mystery-cases/WY4MQQZES5KCJGZ7JWAAIJNSM4/

However, Bloomfield revealed that the most concerning mystery cases seem to be confined to the three remaining groups, where community transmission is still suspected.

One of the groups has 51 cases and last had a case on September 8, which showed it was "clearly slowing down", he said.

One has 28 cases and is a group of households in Mangere and Manurewa; the last case was from September 10. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said this group has a number of close contacts, so more cases are expected.

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#2778570 15-Sep-2021 07:17

MIQ non guest contact worker https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-worker-at-so-auckland-miq-hotel-tests-positive-for-covid/UY6GGK47TSMKWBXZLF5PN5M7GM/

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#2778577 15-Sep-2021 07:40

Andrew Little on AM show...sounds like the government is planning on loosening their response to Covid. He admitted that even the vaccinated can get it and they are considering a change in strategy whereby the ill can stay home and opening borders. No more elimination policy. I think this will encourage many more to get jabbed knowing that there is a stronger likelihood of infection. What a surprise this was.

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#2778579 15-Sep-2021 07:50

Eva888: Andrew Little on AM show...sounds like the government is planning on loosening their response to Covid. He admitted that even the vaccinated can get it and they are considering a change in strategy whereby the ill can stay home and opening borders. No more elimination policy. I think this will encourage many more to get jabbed knowing that there is a stronger likelihood of infection. What a surprise this was.

Not really, there was always a plan to open up, you can't have elimination and open up. From yesterday ""We're in lockdown because we do not have enough New Zealanders currently vaccinated to stop an outbreak that would devastate our community," Ardern explained on Tuesday. "

Vaccinations are supposed to be completed end of this year, so what we do then depends on things like boosters, travel vaccine documents, and they are trialing self isolation at home in November.

I wonder what happens, immunity wise, if we are all fully vaccinated, we can still get infected, and we get mild Covid, would we have stronger immunity after that? I imagine so? If so, then protecting all of us with vaccines keeps us out of hospitals, and maybe we get more immune over time. Lots to learn between now and 2022.

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#2778580 15-Sep-2021 07:52

Eva888: Andrew Little on AM show...sounds like the government is planning on loosening their response to Covid. He admitted that even the vaccinated can get it and they are considering a change in strategy whereby the ill can stay home and opening borders. No more elimination policy. I think this will encourage many more to get jabbed knowing that there is a stronger likelihood of infection. What a surprise this was.

This isn't a new strategy, it's been the discussion for months.

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#2778582 15-Sep-2021 08:01

Here is an insight with Denmark. Very high level of vaccinations, and have opened up. 500 cases per day and a few deaths each day from mainly elderly and illness ridden people. NZ could be at their vaccination level end of the year. Perhaps, and its a big perhaps, more has been learned by then to combat the inevitable post opening up infections

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/126367729/covid-19-somethings-working-in-the-state-of-denmark

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#2778584 15-Sep-2021 08:03

tdgeek:

I wonder what happens, immunity wise, if we are all fully vaccinated, we can still get infected, and we get mild Covid, would we have stronger immunity after that? I imagine so? If so, then protecting all of us with vaccines keeps us out of hospitals, and maybe we get more immune over time. Lots to learn between now and 2022.

Almost certainly. Problem is that "mild" covid won't be the case for some with lowered immunity, and that for the rest of us it's still a lottery with vastly improved odds if you've been jabbed.

I'll possibly be eating my words about NSWs fortunes, I was reasonably sure that their exponential growth in cases would continue. Trend over the past week seems to suggest that may not be the case.

Similar population size to Australia in Texas though, they've already had 60,000 deaths, daily death toll is about 250 - and that's with about 50% of the population fully vaccinated.

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#2778590 15-Sep-2021 08:15

Fred99:

Almost certainly. Problem is that "mild" covid won't be the case for some with lowered immunity, and that for the rest of us it's still a lottery with vastly improved odds if you've been jabbed.

True. Another thought I had with the impending possible, opening up. Could there be an inhaler that disinfected the airways, and maybe lasted 6 hours to give added protection from actually getting infected? Im not a Doctor, but I imagine that you also wouldn't want to kill good bacteria, but maybe thats another level of protection that could be beneficial for some outings and for immunocompromised people when they venture out ?

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#2778595 15-Sep-2021 08:24

Fred99:

This isn't a new strategy, it's been the discussion for months.

Not only that, they need to be talking about this now or else the short-term buy-in for lockdowns will disappear when we still really need it.

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#2778600 15-Sep-2021 08:50

tdgeek:

Could there be an inhaler that disinfected the airways, and maybe lasted 6 hours to give added protection from actually getting infected? Im not a Doctor, but I imagine that you also wouldn't want to kill good bacteria, but maybe thats another level of protection that could be beneficial for some outings and for immunocompromised people when they venture out ?

How about not just the airway but the entire body, cough Trump 😂

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#2778613 15-Sep-2021 09:17

Good news. My cousins in law have all now recovered from delta strain covid-19. Infection was mentioned many pages back. I am now willing to disclose the vaccine they had was sinovac.

Entire household was fully vaccinated with sinovac excepting a child who could not be vaccinated due to age.
Virus infected entire household. They suspect the source was a food delivery person (motorbike rider in that location).
Child was the only person that needed to be admitted to hospital.
The rest of them were still hit pritty hard. Bedridden and using whatever they could think of to help with comfort. In that location, you can't count on getting admitted to hospital reliably, so they had stuff like oxygen bottles delivered to them so they could fight it at home.

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#2778617 15-Sep-2021 09:28

tdgeek:

Im not a Doctor, but I imagine that you also wouldn't want to kill good bacteria, but maybe thats another level of protection that could be beneficial for some outings and for immunocompromised people when they venture out ?

Trouble is, you're dealing with a virus, not bacteria. Given that a virus isn't alive, killing it isn't possible. What you have to do is to destroy either the protein spikes, or dissolve the lipid (fat) shell that contains the RNA. Alcohol-based sanitiser does both of these. I suggest maintaining a small quantity of a water-alcohol solution in the mouth would be somewhat effective. I'd recommend a good Shiraz. Occasionally snorting a shot of tequila wouldn't hurt, I guess. (I am also not a doctor).

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#2778627 15-Sep-2021 10:03

Heh. Thought alcohol content needed to be 60% for hand sanitiser. Would need to be very small sips and constant use of a spittoon, then I guess your entire mouth lining and gums would peel like a tomato in boiling water - or worse.

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#2778635 15-Sep-2021 10:19

tdgeek:

Could there be an inhaler that disinfected the airways, and maybe lasted 6 hours to give added protection from actually getting infected? Im not a Doctor, but I imagine that you also wouldn't want to kill good bacteria, but maybe thats another level of protection that could be beneficial for some outings and for immunocompromised people when they venture out ?

Not disinfectant but other things to stop virus from binding to the ACE receptors

Like... Antibodies

https://www.fiercebiotech.com/research/inhaled-antibody-drug-for-covid-19-clears-coronavirus-animals

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