2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2778636 15-Sep-2021 10:19

Fred99: Heh. Thought alcohol content needed to be 60% for hand sanitiser. Would need to be very small sips and constant use of a spittoon, then I guess your entire mouth lining and gums would peel like a tomato in boiling water - or worse.

Cask-strength whisky.

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#2778637 15-Sep-2021 10:20

So is that:
- Lick the Salt,
- Squirt the Lemon in your eye,
- Snort the Tequila?

Not quite the way I remember that going but hey - needs must!

Note - also not a doctor.

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#2778659 15-Sep-2021 10:54

Scott3:

Good news. My cousins in law have all now recovered from delta strain covid-19. Infection was mentioned many pages back. I am now willing to disclose the vaccine they had was sinovac.

Entire household was fully vaccinated with sinovac excepting a child who could not be vaccinated due to age.
Virus infected entire household. They suspect the source was a food delivery person (motorbike rider in that location).
Child was the only person that needed to be admitted to hospital.
The rest of them were still hit pritty hard. Bedridden and using whatever they could think of to help with comfort. In that location, you can't count on getting admitted to hospital reliably, so they had stuff like oxygen bottles delivered to them so they could fight it at home.

That is good news but a quick google on the effectiveness of Chinese Sinovac vaccine suggests it is not as effective as other vaccines. Especially with the Delta variant. Though it is hard to quantify as China likes to keep statistical data close.

Concerning your cousins and they being fully vaccinated but still having a very rough time of it suggests that maybe the Sinovac vaccine is not as good against the Delta variant as other vaccines.

Other more knowledgable members in these forum might be able to better clarify.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2778664 15-Sep-2021 10:58

Fred99:

Eva888: Andrew Little on AM show...sounds like the government is planning on loosening their response to Covid. He admitted that even the vaccinated can get it and they are considering a change in strategy whereby the ill can stay home and opening borders. No more elimination policy. I think this will encourage many more to get jabbed knowing that there is a stronger likelihood of infection. What a surprise this was.

This isn't a new strategy, it's been the discussion for months.

It is a shift in part of the strategy. While there has been a loose 'plan' to open up, this was still tied to a long term elimination strategy. The messaging was poor however - but clearly there was an expectation from the government that they could both open up and maintain elimination.

New Zealand to pursue Covid elimination strategy indefinitely, says Ardern

Even as recently as this week the PM and others in the government were still saying elimination long term was the strategy.

The shift starting here is moving away from elimination being 'indefinite' to shorter term until vaccination rates are up.

The fact there has been another MIQ leak announced today shows that an elimination strategy reliant on border controls to keep the virus out of the country long term wasn't going to work, and certainly you wouldn't be able to relax any of the current border controls.

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#2778685 15-Sep-2021 11:32

Batman:

Not disinfectant but other things to stop virus from binding to the ACE receptors

Like... Antibodies

https://www.fiercebiotech.com/research/inhaled-antibody-drug-for-covid-19-clears-coronavirus-animals

Why do we wash our hands? AFAIK it breaks the membrane of the virus and its killed. Same reason why if the virus is left on cardboard, the membrane dries up. I would have thought an inhaler that acts similar may be helpful.

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#2778706 15-Sep-2021 11:51

ajobbins:

It is a shift in part of the strategy. While there has been a loose 'plan' to open up, this was still tied to a long term elimination strategy. The messaging was poor however - but clearly there was an expectation from the government that they could both open up and maintain elimination.

New Zealand to pursue Covid elimination strategy indefinitely, says Ardern

Even as recently as this week the PM and others in the government were still saying elimination long term was the strategy.

The shift starting here is moving away from elimination being 'indefinite' to shorter term until vaccination rates are up.

The fact there has been another MIQ leak announced today shows that an elimination strategy reliant on border controls to keep the virus out of the country long term wasn't going to work, and certainly you wouldn't be able to relax any of the current border controls.

Love headlines from The Guardian (not - it's a trash news site full of clickbait).

She didn't say what the headline implies she did, or they'd have put that within quotation marks in the article - much of what is formally quoted either contradicts what's implied by the headline, or is far more nuanced.

"Even as recently as this week" - actually was more than a month ago.

Fake news site. Many people don't read past the headlines any more. They know that. Sad, as occasionally they have interesting stuff not covered by other media. Sometimes that's because other media simply don't believe the "scoops" they're being offered by freelancers etc.

Something else I read further back in this thread re targeting zero covid deaths as a policy. Makes sense in context of other public health measures, most people would have some familiarity with OSH, nobody writes a policy saying that we'll plan to have 20 deaths and 200 injuries as our goal next year. Both are set with with a target of zero, even if everybody knows that can never be achieved.

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#2778715 15-Sep-2021 12:16

I think it’s time to have other weapons in our arsenal as well as vaccinations, encouraging people to beef up their own immunity by all the means available. Many elderly are already prescribed Vit D3 by their doctors and I also take zinc. Does that help?...I don’t know, there are studies that say they do and those that say they don’t, as with everything. I can see that new or repurposed medicines are becoming available to fight this virus, that brings comfort.

Supply the country with self testing kits like they have in Europe so if a sniffle happens you can test. Yes I know they are not perfect but you are not going to find perfection in any measures taken. The reality is, some people will die whether from co-morbid conditions, self harm, drug reactions or covid itself while this pandemic goes on.

Speaking only for myself, I don’t like to think that borders are closed and limitations are put on the young and healthy to protect the vulnerable which include people like me who have lived many years in freedom and are now nearing the inevitable end of the road. I will take the responsibility and all the precautions for myself, use masks, maybe a few more supplements and a shot of 7 star Metaxa Brandy now and then. If I’m lucky enough to push the envelope and survive that’s a bonus.

I don’t want to live in fear of Covid any more and watch the destruction of dreams and hopes of the young and seeing children miss out on education and playing with their friends at the most important time of their education and lives. I walk down the street outside in the fresh air and see masked mothers with children in tow that can’t see their mums expression or smile. Families that are separated overseas and may never see each other again because of not being able to come back and quarantine at home.

I know of people who have young teenagers struggling with depression and being medicated for it. We cure one problem and exacerbate and create so many others just as life threatening. Stress and depression are cancer's best friend...are we saving ourselves from one sickness but giving ourselves another life threatening one further down the track?

Life in fear can’t go on this way and a new response is needed. What ifs are always going to be with us. What if a helicopter falls on my house and kills me, what if I get hepatitis at my next cafe visit or get bitten by a mosquito and get Ross River Fever and don’t survive. Living has risks attached. If Covid hits I accept it might need to be at home and not in hospital so there’s room for the ones that have a better chance of survival should hospitals ever become overwhelmed.

Get vaccinated, lose the fear and get on with life. I hope the government allows this to finally happen.

These are my personal thoughts on this controversial subject and I am sure many will feel differently and that’s their prerogative as long as they are respectful and polite about their views and the feelings of others before they share their own ideas.

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#2778719 15-Sep-2021 12:26

Eva888:

Get vaccinated, lose the fear and get on with life. I hope the government allows this to finally happen.

Sounds good, but please wait until everyone has been able to get vaccinated. That time is not yet here. Many vaccinated people, especially those who got it early in the cycle, don't quite understand that group 4 bookings had a long wait. I'm hearing more and more people tell me that if you aren't fully vaccinated by now its your own stupid fault.

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#2778721 15-Sep-2021 12:30

Eva888:
Life in fear can’t go on this way and a new response is needed. What ifs are always going to be with us. What if a helicopter falls on my house and kills me, what if I get hepatitis at my next cafe visit or get bitten by a mosquito and get Ross River Fever and don’t survive. Living has risks attached.

Good news! Lockdown can reduce your fear levels. Specifically, you don't need to fear Ross River Fever now! It is found in Australia, Papua New Guinea and other islands in the South Pacific but not in New Zealand

Lockdown is also good to limit the spread of covid, so we don't need to fear that either.

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#2778725 15-Sep-2021 12:41

tdgeek:
Batman:

Not disinfectant but other things to stop virus from binding to the ACE receptors

Like... Antibodies

https://www.fiercebiotech.com/research/inhaled-antibody-drug-for-covid-19-clears-coronavirus-animals

Why do we wash our hands? AFAIK it breaks the membrane of the virus and its killed. Same reason why if the virus is left on cardboard, the membrane dries up. I would have thought an inhaler that acts similar may be helpful.

I'm guessing that If you do that your lung cell membranes will also disintegrate and you die of something else.

/I'm neither a virologist nor a pulmonologist

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#2778729 15-Sep-2021 12:44

So far 35.2 percent of eligible Kiwis (12-plus) have had two doses of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, and 68.8 percent at least one.

Pretty good. The one jabbers will be booked in anytime from next week for the second jab to a few weeks, so in a few weeks, based only on the data today, 68.8% of 12+ would be full vaccinated. Add to that the newbies getting their first , so probably nicely over 70% in 3 to 6 weeks.

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#2778731 15-Sep-2021 12:51

Mongrel mob are isolating. Well they better be!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-positive-case-at-mongrel-mob-pad-after-patient-discharged-herself-from-middlemore-hospital-before-test-result/QX2Q2AYOF6PEO453TGHPQCPZGM/

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#2778743 15-Sep-2021 13:03

Suppose it depends on how many 'residents' and visitors the gang pad has.
Some people also view that after X days a group of people mixing should be all good to go, but of course that's not the case.
A chain of transmission one person to next 'not isolating from each other' could burn on for a long time.

Of course they all have families and probably as is becoming normal in Auckland extended family live in a front room or garage, or motel room.

Wonder how many of the Tough and Tattooed got vaccinated ?

Aucklands problem for a return to normal is rest of country may revolt unless we truly get a handle in it.
Does rest of NZ without community spread want to give up so Auckland can stop isolating ?
Probably not, we will be greeted by pitchforks at Mercer.

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#2778745 15-Sep-2021 13:07

14 cases

All household contacts, 3 had exposure events

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-14-new-community-cases-and-more-details-about-virtual-miq-booking-system/NMMJPBSWQUYUJE5SAXZJOUPPWA/

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#2778753 15-Sep-2021 13:23

Batman: 14 cases

All household contacts, 8 had exposure events

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-14-new-community-cases-and-more-details-about-virtual-miq-booking-system/NMMJPBSWQUYUJE5SAXZJOUPPWA/

The continuing high proportion of exposure events is a bit concerning.

Seems a high proportion four weeks into L4 lockdown.

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