2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2779132 16-Sep-2021 09:22

Seems a general toughening up on vaccination by various governments is having the desired effect; eg.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/15/europe/france-us-vaccine-mandates-compared-cmd-intl/index.html

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#2779137 16-Sep-2021 09:25

mattwnz:

I had the situation when I went to get mine, they had closed the vaccination centre early, and they didn't advise us, even though I was booked in. There were quire a few annoyed people. Instead we were told to go to the drive through testing centre, which was on the other side of town and needed a car. Apparently we didn't need a booking to get vaccinated through that. Drive through is probably the way to go , but it needs people to have access to a vehicle.

All MoH driven services have been advise to not turn away walk-ins. So it's not limited to just drive-ins. There just may be delays or 'sorry we're low on stock'

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#2779188 16-Sep-2021 10:32

tdgeek:

So, Group 3 that are only 65+ is 15% , add to that the heath issues, maybe thats super high?

Group 4 is 12+ to age 64, so say 70%

Your numbers , which Im not denying, put these two groups as broadly close in volume, but the back of an envelope comparison shows Group 4 should be significantly higher. I have no idea the volume of health issue related people that are in the Group 4 age group but are classified as Group 3. It would seem that those over 12 with health issues is very high.

Initially it wasn't clear who was going to be included in group 3. Then the decision was made to align the criteria with the criteria for the subsidised (free) annual flu vaccination as this information is already attached to your health record. This covers a vast range of health conditions, many of which aren't associated with an increased risk of covid-19.

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#2779263 16-Sep-2021 11:29

Given the depravation in areas of New Zealand, exacerbated by housing/rent/electricity costs.

We already over many years have far too many hospitalizations of children for respiratory diseases.
This can show up again later in life as early heart damage resurfaces from conditions like rheumatic fever.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/first-up/audio/2018801240/wards-full-of-children-with-preventable-respiratory-conditions

Children are going to be part of solution to get vaccination rate up as high as possible, hopefully approved by year end.
With FDA USA approval only months away if all goes well.

Why Is It Taking So Long to Get Vaccines for Kids?
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/08/covid-vaccination-timeline-children/619729/

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A Pfizer spokesperson told me that the company plans to submit an EUA application for the 5-to-11-year-old group “by the end of September,” and for the six-month-to-5-year-old group “shortly thereafter.”
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#2779271 16-Sep-2021 11:50

I thought the data out of Israel was pretty clear that boosters are required. Lucky we can wait & see what happens in other countries that have opened with Covid still rampant.

US Food and Drug Administration scientists say booster doses of Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine may not be needed, even though the third shot generates a higher immune response in recipients.
The FDA staff members said in a document prepared for outside advisors that it is still unproven that the efficacy of Comirnaty - the Covid-19 vaccine Pfizer developed with Germany's BioNTech SE - is declining.
"Some observational studies have suggested declining efficacy of Comirnaty over time against symptomatic infection or against the Delta variant, while others have not," they said in the document.
"However, overall, data indicates that currently US-licensed or authorized Covid-19 vaccines still afford protection against severe Covid-19 disease and death in the United States."
The FDA staff did say the booster dose met pre-specified conditions the regulator had set to show that the shot was generating an immune response.
- Reuters

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#2779277 16-Sep-2021 12:18

On2or3wheels:

I thought the data out of Israel was pretty clear that boosters are required. Lucky we can wait & see what happens in other countries that have opened with Covid still rampant.

There's been a lot of criticism of the data from Israel.

Here's a new pre-print (but from trustworthy authors IMO) paper from the UK, showing VE (against Delta) over a 20 week + period:

Key findings
Our data provide evidence of waning of protection against symptomatic infection following both Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca) and Comirnaty (Pfizer) vaccines from 10 weeks after the second dose. Protection against hospitalisation and death, however, was sustained at very high levels for at least 20 weeks after the second dose. Beyond 20 weeks, we observed more waning with Vaxzevria compared to Comirnaty, though the groups who received either vaccine differed. Waning of protection against hospitalisation was greater among older adults and in those in a clinical risk group. Among ≥65 year olds who were not in a clinical risk group, however, protection against hospitalisation remains close to 95% with Comirnaty and just under 80% with Vaxzevria beyond 20 weeks after the second vaccine dose.

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Waning appeared to be greater in older age groups and among individuals in clinical risk groups, suggesting that these individuals should be prioritised for booster doses.

https://khub.net/documents/135939561/338928724/Vaccine+effectiveness+and+duration+of+protection+of+covid+vaccines+against+mild+and+severe+COVID-19+in+the+UK.pdf/10dcd99c-0441-0403-dfd8-11ba2c6f5801

They also had limited data (due to late/low number of doses) on Spikevax (Moderna) which correlates with US CDC data indicating that has even higher VE than Comirnaty (Pfizer).

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#2779295 16-Sep-2021 12:53

https://i.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/126398267/covid19-teens-seemingly-targeted-in-antivax-campaign

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#2779300 16-Sep-2021 13:01

@ezbee:

Given the depravation in areas of New Zealand, exacerbated by housing/rent/electricity costs.

I am sure you mean deprivation and not depravation...

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#2779304 16-Sep-2021 13:04

MoH: There are 13 new community cases, all in the Auckland area.

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#2779305 16-Sep-2021 13:04

Batman: https://i.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/126398267/covid19-teens-seemingly-targeted-in-antivax-campaign

"Covid-19: Teens seemingly targeted in anti-vax campaign "

Can we have some law change to get people in prison for misinformation and disinformation?

Opinion is one thing. Stupidity being acted upon is another.

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#2779306 16-Sep-2021 13:06

Relevant from today:

Ten of today's cases are epidemiologically linked to the outbreak, three are not.

In the past fortnight, there have been 10 unlinked cases.

FIve of yesterday's cases were infectious in the community.

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#2779323 16-Sep-2021 13:27

GV27:

Relevant from today:

Ten of today's cases are epidemiologically linked to the outbreak, three are not. In the past fortnight, there have been 10 unlinked cases. FIve of yesterday's cases were infectious in the community.

Is this good or bad?

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#2779324 16-Sep-2021 13:29

GV27:

Relevant from today:

Ten of today's cases are epidemiologically linked to the outbreak, three are not. In the past fortnight, there have been 10 unlinked cases. FIve of yesterday's cases were infectious in the community.

At the presser Dr Bloomfield said the unlinked number was now just one.... I guess the statement is written a bit prior...

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#2779375 16-Sep-2021 14:28

So where is the transfer happening? I'm concerned families must be intermingling.

We've been told there hasn't been any spread in essential workers. There hasn't been any reports of shops closing & going through a deep clean like happened in the original lockdown when transfer was suspected.
I would have thought if spread has been happening at the supermarket we would have heard more from the PM reminding us to sanitise before using a trolley, trying to reduce the number of times we go to the supermarket etc.

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#2779380 16-Sep-2021 14:37

I've just run some numbers and its now clear why they are starting up the Vax buses and boosting walk ups/drive throughs etc... they are gonna run out of booked people to vaccinate in the next week or so....

Looking at the last 10 odd days of the "Vaxxed+booked" figures shows that the growth of new bookings has really slowed up, and the the gap between 1st vaxxed and 1st vaxxed+booked has shrunk from over 500K on the 9th to about 300K now.

New bookings over the past 2 days are 15K and 12K respectively,.. so at 40K new vaxxations per day, that's around 10 days before all those booked in are vaccinated

You have to pull the daily vax+booked data from google's cache because very unhelpfully the MoH only publish a rolling total that they update each day :(

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