2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

Forums › Health and fitness › 2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

1 | ... | 1734 | 1735 | 1736 | 1737 | 1738 | 1739 | 1740 | 1741 | 1742 | 1743 | 1744 | ... | 2429

30048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9455

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2779475 16-Sep-2021 18:39

frankv:

ezbee:

They are getting blitzed on social media anyway, so pointless to their destructive cause.

Regretfully, I disagree. The anti-vaxxers I have encountered are religious in their belief and their need to proselytise. If some of their number are made to suffer, they are seen as "martyrs", and as a model for others to emulate.

However, I think we need to maintain a level head ourselves... death threats and baying for blood is also not an adult way to behave.

I know two antivaxxers. One is anti everything. Moon landing etc etc etc. The other shocked me. When I asked at a hospital when a loved one was dying, he laughed when I asked if he's had a jab. Thus my sister says "oh, not sure".But other than that, most I've encountered had similar responses "its been rushed and so on", so basically uninformed. They are easily educated. But thats just my experience.

Handle9

11930 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9689

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2779477 16-Sep-2021 18:44

tdgeek:

frankv:

Regretfully, I disagree. The anti-vaxxers I have encountered are religious in their belief and their need to proselytise. If some of their number are made to suffer, they are seen as "martyrs", and as a model for others to emulate.

However, I think we need to maintain a level head ourselves... death threats and baying for blood is also not an adult way to behave.

I know two antivaxxers. One is anti everything. Moon landing etc etc etc. The other shocked me. When I asked at a hospital when a loved one was dying, he laughed when I asked if he's had a jab. Thus my sister says "oh, not sure".But other than that, most I've encountered had similar responses "its been rushed and so on", so basically uninformed. They are easily educated. But thats just my experience.

IME the vaccine hesitant, like the people you described as being easily educated, aren't really a big problem. They will come around with a combination of incentives, education and seeing their friends and family vaccinated without significant issues. It takes a little longer but the social pressure becomes high enough that they get on with it.

There's also the genuinely fearful who will do the right thing but it's very difficult for them. Also not a big problem.

The loony tunes characters are a different story.

tdgeek

30048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9455

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2779532 16-Sep-2021 18:54

Handle9:

IME the vaccine hesitant, like the people you described as being easily educated, aren't really a big problem. They will come around with a combination of incentives, education and seeing their friends and family vaccinated without significant issues. It takes a little longer but the social pressure becomes high enough that they get on with it.

There's also the genuinely fearful who will do the right thing but it's very difficult for them. Also not a big problem.

The loony tunes characters are a different story.

100%. You're right the "its too rushed" brigade is not the same as the truly worried people. Then the news will be about the opening up, endemic, vaccines are high so all good. Little kids. From what Fred99 said while back, there may be a reasonable number who for medical reasons can't get vaccinated. Hopefully, between now and then, options may turn up that can cover these.

Batman

Mad Scientist
30014 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 6217

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2779546 16-Sep-2021 19:54

apparently risk of myocarditis is 20 per 1,000,000 (1:50,000) after 2 doses of Pfizer or Moderna for 18-24

probably a bit higher in 12-17 but not stated here

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/hong-kong-panel-recommends-single-dose-biontechs-covid-19-shot-teenagers-2181791

Batman

Mad Scientist
30014 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 6217

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2779547 16-Sep-2021 19:56

putin in isolation

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/vladimir-putin-several-dozen-people-circle-covid-19-russia-2182261

sbiddle

30853 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9996

Retired Mod

Trusted

Biddle Corp

Lifetime subscriber

#2779632 16-Sep-2021 21:28

Oblivian: Three's news update was calling that dr Bloomfield has set a 90% target

But it's a catching play on the actual

He would like to see 90%
They've been pressing for a figure. That's not terribly good looking with the current ratio of muppets refusing out there?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/covid-19-health-chief-ashley-bloomfield-reveals-vaccine-rollout-target.html

The problem with the 90% figure is we still have around 300,000 under 5's who are unlikely to be vaccinated any time soon. With so many in that age group getting to 90% while they are exempt is simply impossible.

Lenovo

Shop now for Lenovo laptops and other devices (affiliate link).

ezbee

2659 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3105

#2779633 16-Sep-2021 21:30

Putin Putin in Isolation.

Putin had the Sputnik in April, his daughter had it last year. So he is all vaxed I understand.

However Russia is way behind us re vaccination percentage, a bit of a puzzle as it was hailed as first vaccine.
Sure its a large population but so is the scale of their industries.
27% Fully vaccinated, 31% at least one dose. More to that story for sure.

Handle9

11930 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9689

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2779636 16-Sep-2021 21:33

sbiddle:

Oblivian: Three's news update was calling that dr Bloomfield has set a 90% target

But it's a catching play on the actual

He would like to see 90%
They've been pressing for a figure. That's not terribly good looking with the current ratio of muppets refusing out there?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/covid-19-health-chief-ashley-bloomfield-reveals-vaccine-rollout-target.html

The problem with the 90% figure is we still have around 300,000 under 5's who are unlikely to be vaccinated any time soon. With so many in that age group getting to 90% while they are exempt is simply impossible.

That's if it's total population rather than eligible. The total population figure is more meaningful IMO but likely not what he is referring to here.

Scott3

4177 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2990

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2779642 16-Sep-2021 22:00

sbiddle:

The problem with the 90% figure is we still have around 300,000 under 5's who are unlikely to be vaccinated any time soon. With so many in that age group getting to 90% while they are exempt is simply impossible.

Pfizer to seek US vaccine approval for children between 6 months and 5 years in November

https://www.politico.eu/article/pfizer-us-vaccine-approval-children-6-months-5-years-old/

Previously they had said "in the weeks shortly thereafter the filing of the data for the 5 to the 11 year-olds..." so this is a little set back, but still pritty soon.

Big unknown is how long the approval process will take after filing. Hopefully Medsafe and the NZ goverment can move a lot faster than they did for the 12 - 15 age group. Timeline for that one:

9/4/2021 Pfizer Request FDA clearnce
10/5/2021 FDA approval
21/6/2021 Medsafe approval
19/8/2021 NZ government approval.

As the parent of a 3 year old, hopefully that timeline can be seriously compressed when it comes to the 6mo - 4y age bracket.

Handle9

11930 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9689

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2779645 16-Sep-2021 22:10

Scott3:

sbiddle:

The problem with the 90% figure is we still have around 300,000 under 5's who are unlikely to be vaccinated any time soon. With so many in that age group getting to 90% while they are exempt is simply impossible.

Pfizer to seek US vaccine approval for children between 6 months and 5 years in November

https://www.politico.eu/article/pfizer-us-vaccine-approval-children-6-months-5-years-old/

Previously they had said "in the weeks shortly thereafter the filing of the data for the 5 to the 11 year-olds..." so this is a little set back, but still pritty soon.

Big unknown is how long the approval process will take after filing. Hopefully Medsafe and the NZ goverment can move a lot faster than they did for the 12 - 15 age group. Timeline for that one:

9/4/2021 Pfizer Request FDA clearnce
10/5/2021 FDA approval
21/6/2021 Medsafe approval
19/8/2021 NZ government approval.
As the parent of a 3 year old, hopefully that timeline can be seriously compressed when it comes to the 6mo - 4y age bracket.

The delays were academic as there weren't vaccines available to dispense.

I would hope they don't rush the approval, this needs to be done very thoroughly to assess whether it makes sense for young children.

Oblivian

7345 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2117

ID Verified

#2779652 16-Sep-2021 22:36

This has been shown to me a few times today as sponsored

The comments have seemingly doubled since about lunchtime

Enjoy. Or not. You brains will hurt
The majority still think the truth is out there, and out of context statistics galore.

https://www.facebook.com/100069136752742/posts/155798173401407/?sfnsn=mo

The PR team can't keep up.

AliExpress

Shop now on AliExpress (affiliate link).

Scott3

4177 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2990

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2779653 16-Sep-2021 22:53

Handle9:

Scott3:

Pfizer to seek US vaccine approval for children between 6 months and 5 years in November

https://www.politico.eu/article/pfizer-us-vaccine-approval-children-6-months-5-years-old/

Previously they had said "in the weeks shortly thereafter the filing of the data for the 5 to the 11 year-olds..." so this is a little set back, but still pritty soon.

Big unknown is how long the approval process will take after filing. Hopefully Medsafe and the NZ goverment can move a lot faster than they did for the 12 - 15 age group. Timeline for that one:

9/4/2021 Pfizer Request FDA clearnce
10/5/2021 FDA approval
21/6/2021 Medsafe approval
19/8/2021 NZ government approval.
As the parent of a 3 year old, hopefully that timeline can be seriously compressed when it comes to the 6mo - 4y age bracket.

The delays were academic as there weren't vaccines available to dispense.

I would hope they don't rush the approval, this needs to be done very thoroughly to assess whether it makes sense for young children.

I would argue they weren't academic. Even with limited doses available in the middle of the year we still would have wanted to allocate them to people in higher priority groups (household members of MIQ workers (group 1), People in long term residential care (group 2), people with pre-existing conditions (group 2 in counties manana, group 3 elsewhere). And of course those who could have applied for an early vaccine for travel overseas LINK.

Agree with not rushing. Normal proper approval process should be followed. But I do think this should be one of the things at the top of the priory list for both medsafe and the goverment (if resourcing is the hold up).

Scott3

4177 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2990

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2779654 16-Sep-2021 23:07

Oblivian: This has been shown to me a few times today as sponsored

The comments have seemingly doubled since about lunchtime

Enjoy. Or not. You brains will hurt
The majority still think the truth is out there, and out of context statistics galore.

https://www.facebook.com/100069136752742/posts/155798173401407/?sfnsn=mo

The PR team can't keep up.

Quite a bally move by the Ministry of Health PR team to have comment open on their posts.

Obviously they have a Social media team are responding to posts to try and educate, but as you say they simply can't keep up with the firehouse of comments (and the 24/7 nature of facebook is going to work against them). Also fairly easy for an antivax group (which may not even by NZ based) to have 100 people in the discussion as to dominate it.

Frankly I would say this has backfired, I don't think vaccines should be debated right under paid ministry of health vaccine adverts.

Scott3

4177 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2990

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2779659 17-Sep-2021 00:13

Don't know if I am just grumpy, but this really annoys me.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126387605/covid19-fifty-yachts-to-sail-from-fiji-to-northland-raising-health-fears

In short an ex-MP want's small boats returning from the pacific to go to Auckland, rather than Opua.

"The port was too much of a risk to Northland, where health was poor, and the yachts should arrive in Auckland, which had more hospitals"

Ignores the following:

Auckland has more than pulled its weight this pandemic.
Auckland population density is a massive covid-19 risk, compared to low density northland.
Auckland is NZ's economic powerhouse (greater than 1/3 of the economy), really we should move risk out of Auckland where we reasonably can.
If Whangarei couldn't take a covid-19 patent, it is only a 3 hour road transfer from opua to North shore hospital, quite workable.
Risk posed by cruising boat coming from the pacific (especially fiji) is really quite low compared to what Auckland, Hamilton, Rotorua, Wellington and Christchurch are exposed to with MIQ facilities. Firstly numbers a super low. Estimated only 50 boats due to border restrictions. Secondly the rules are setup to incentive's the boats to slow down to the trip takes at least 12 days in order to avoid a MIQ stay. The result of on arrival swabbing should detect if there is any covid-19 on board with the only personal contact being the swab taker.
While it is possible for small boats to clear customs in Auckland, I have been advise that it is common practice pre-pandemic for please boats coming from the pacific to NZ to clear into NZ in opua even if they are bound for Auckland. Opua is set up with a quarantine dock for small boats, where as in Auckland boats need to tie up to the port wharf which are configured for ships

Calling for more risk to be placed on Auckland, despite Auckland (extended) being the only place in the country to be in Lock down just seems really mean, even if I think the risk is negligible.

tdgeek

30048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9455

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2779711 17-Sep-2021 06:41

Scott3:

Agree with not rushing. Normal proper approval process should be followed. But I do think this should be one of the things at the top of the priory list for both medsafe and the goverment (if resourcing is the hold up).

The current vaccine project was to complete end of 2021. Maybe opening up sometime in the first half of 2022, maybe earlier. The trial and approval for the wee ones doesnt need to be super soon. If it was granted, Id say the rollout could be quite quick. A 90% of the total population could happen and be a strong part of an opening up process.

1 | ... | 1734 | 1735 | 1736 | 1737 | 1738 | 1739 | 1740 | 1741 | 1742 | 1743 | 1744 | ... | 2429