duckDecoy:

 

Cases detected in Aucklands City Mission customers.  Contact tracing not possible. 

 

 

 

True? Not in the media

duckDecoy:

 

Cases detected in Aucklands City Mission customers.  Contact tracing not possible.  Plus positive case in Middlemore ED today.  Ugh not great. (source: a nurse)  

 

There has been a lot of work gone into vaccination around the Mission, so all hope is not lost....

From 3 September

DHBs in Auckland and Wellington have already begun this work. The three Auckland Metro DHBs are vaccinating homeless people via three main mechanisms:

Offering vaccinations at the Calder Centre (a GP Clinic) at the Auckland City Mission. This initiative involves significant support from outreach workers engaging with those who attend the City Mission

https://www.teaomaori.news/who-vaccinating-homeless

Hopefully Hospital managements are seeing they need a test triage plan as anyone that turns up can be a case.
Indeed areas where requests for testing have been poorly supported, are people who ED is their first stop.
Same for all visitors, that may reduce visitor numbers to essential as well.

Even if good instant tests are really expensive, it would pay off in less stand-downs of critical staff too.
We can actually expect EDs will necessarily get cases if we have any SARS-Cov2 in community.

Its an opportunity to sample a community who are likely not appearing for tests voluntarily.

Your Burglar, Fence, Drug Dealer/Customer, Drug Courier, Gang Debt Collector, and certain Evangelical etc groups are tough nuts to sample etc. 
You are not getting much contact tracing data either.

ajobbins: Of yesterday's cases, 6 in isolation and, 6 not isolated but only 5 of the 6 had exposure events.

Not big numbers, but still showing the contact tracers can't get ahead of exposures.

Contact tracing also relies on honesty and people doing the right thing. So maybe the contact tracing doesn't have required information. I would doubt it would be overwhelmed now at this stage, compared to earlier on in the outbreak. 

sbiddle:

 

Batman:

 

vaccine passport (APP) being developed, available soon

 

some people better buy smartphones. i have one i can sell you.

 

should probably have its own thread when it's confirmed

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-vaccine-passport-app-to-be-available-in-just-over-a-month/SLSJX27VNPFYXOACJPGMUIANBQ/

 

 

 

 

Seems a little stupid that we obviously aren't incorporating it into the existing Covid app.

 

 

 

Or have the passport work as part of an existing passport app. For example there's already one for international travel, seems crazy to have multiple apps doing the same job.

What ever they use it needs to be something that doesn't require the latest version of an OS nor require OS imbedded functionality. 

GV27:

 

Ge0rge:

 

The fact the government hasn't openly announced exactly what the criteria for moving down levels in Auckland will actually be is the piece that is probably madness to be fair, but then that's also coming very close to a politics line.

 

 

Yes, probably too much so for this thread - and perhaps more suited for the mental health thread, it's getting very hard to get this close to a looming decision without a firm idea of whether we're on the right track or not, when the consequences for us not being there on Monday would likely be yet another two weeks.

 

I suspect if you were aspiring to return to NZ through MIQ and had been living a relatively normal, fully vaccinated life overseas, you might have different reasons for being unimpressed with RSE workers being able to get through without facing the same hurdles as you do - although I note the timing of the announcement of yet more MIQ slots today.

 

Considering elimination is what level 3 is about, I can't see them dropping Auckland down until that occurs. Level 2 allows Auckland to travel to other uninfected parts of NZ freely, which would be a recipe for disaster. Maybe they will have a bespoke level for Auckland which will prevent that free travel. But IMO they need to really ringfence the problem suburbs. I think politics is now playing a bigger role in the response, and it maybe time for the government to hand it over to an independent organisation which I understand has been previously suggested.

mattwnz:

 

Contact tracing also relies on honesty and people doing the right thing. So maybe the contact tracing doesn't have required information. I would doubt it would be overwhelmed now at this stage, compared to earlier on in the outbreak. 

 

Your Burglar, Fence, Drug Dealer/Customer, Drug Courier, Gang Debt Collector, these people as mentioned previously are unlikely to give a full and frank disclosure of their contacts. Even if there was an amnesty for these people when giving contact tracing details I doubt they'd take it up.

mattwnz:

 

 

 

Considering elimination is what level 3 is about, I can't see them dropping Auckland down until that occurs. Level 2 allows Auckland to travel to other uninfected parts of NZ freely, which would be a recipe for disaster. Maybe they will have a bespoke level for Auckland which will prevent that free travel. But IMO they need to really ringfence the problem suburbs. I think politics is now playing a bigger role in the response, and it maybe time for the government to hand it over to an independent organisation which I understand has been previously suggested.

 

Depends if they feel that the virus is spread all over Auckland, or if its in problematic areas of people who are lax.

How do you ring fence problem suburbs that dont get a  test if they have symptoms and who hang out at neighbours?

An independent organisation will still need to be lead by MoH. Or you end up with a fresh organisation that will also have bias, either economic or political. Even the experts do vary

Technofreak:

 

Your Burglar, Fence, Drug Dealer/Customer, Drug Courier, Gang Debt Collector, these people as mentioned previously are unlikely to give a full and frank disclosure of their contacts. Even if there was an amnesty for these people when giving contact tracing details I doubt they'd take it up.

 

For those then need to use GCSB to track them. 

mattwnz:

 

Considering elimination is what level 3 is about, I can't see them dropping Auckland down until that occurs. Level 2 allows Auckland to travel to other uninfected parts of NZ freely, which would be a recipe for disaster. Maybe they will have a bespoke level for Auckland which will prevent that free travel. But IMO they need to really ringfence the problem suburbs. I think politics is now playing a bigger role in the response, and it maybe time for the government to hand it over to an independent organisation which I understand has been previously suggested.

 

This has been my thoughts for a while, you simply cant remove the border until you have a run of zero cases, the first thing thousands of people are going to do is flee Auckland to go on holiday etc ( School holidays are at the end of this week) 

BUT, I am seriously worried they have just let the horse out allowing Students to return from Auckland to the rest of the country ( with a 72 hr test) ...

We all know the 3 day window can allow quite significant contact, and we see positive MIQ cases all the time that have had a 72hr negative departure test.. 

ajobbins: Of yesterday's cases, 6 in isolation and, 6 not isolated but only 5 of the 6 had exposure events.

Not big numbers, but still showing the contact tracers can't get ahead of exposures.

Again a clash with what was in the ministry of health's press release the prior day:

"Cases epidemiologically linked: Ten of today’s 12 cases. All 12 have been in isolation at home or in an MIQ."

Hopefully it was just people that tested positive and are deemed to be contagious for a little bit of time prior to going into isolation. Rather than people who have been not isolating when they were ment to.

duckDecoy:

 

Cases detected in Aucklands City Mission customers.  Contact tracing not possible.  Plus positive case in Middlemore ED today.  Ugh not great. (source: a nurse)  

 

 

 

Care to provide links to some details?

Scott3:

 

Again a clash with what was in the ministry of health's press release the prior day:

 

"Cases epidemiologically linked: Ten of today’s 12 cases. All 12 have been in isolation at home or in an MIQ."

 

Hopefully it was just people that tested positive and are deemed to be contagious for a little bit of time prior to going into isolation. Rather than people who have been not isolating when they were ment to.

 

Here in VIC they make a distinction between cases that were in isolation for part of their infectious period vs. all of it. MoH are not making that distinction explicitly.

I expect that the figure of 'all 12' from yesterday means they were in isolation for at least part of their infectious period, but not necessarily all. And the number of 5/6 published today would simply mean that those 5/6 were in isolation for part, and the other 6 were in isolation for the whole time.

That would make sense - but it's just a guess given the way the numbers are published.

wellygary:

 

BUT, I am seriously worried they have just let the horse out allowing Students to return from Auckland to the rest of the country ( with a 72 hr test) ...

 

We all know the 3 day window can allow quite significant contact, and we see positive MIQ cases all the time that have had a 72hr negative departure test.. 

 

It may not end well, the virus will find any hole it can. Did they say that people need to take level 3 with them for 14 days? Eg not visit cafes etc.  

The Tauranga positive waste water testing is a concern too, that there could be  cases in this area.

wellygary:

 

BUT, I am seriously worried they have just let the horse out allowing Students to return from Auckland to the rest of the country ( with a 72 hr test) ...

 

We all know the 3 day window can allow quite significant contact, and we see positive MIQ cases all the time that have had a 72hr negative departure test.. 

 

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