2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2788228 2-Oct-2021 13:09

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Covid-19 NZ update: - 27 new cases - 5 unlinked - 10 of yday's infectious in community

Fantastic. Apparently another Middlemore presentation as well.

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#2788232 2-Oct-2021 13:22

Is the 90% vaccination target for fully vaccinated or does it include single vacs as well?

I'm supposed to respect my elders, but it's getting harder and harder for me to find one now.

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#2788237 2-Oct-2021 13:28

7 day case average looks like it's starting to trend up now after weeks of being flat

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#2788238 2-Oct-2021 13:32

Rest of NZ even those on other side of Auckland may not understand the depth of housing insecurity.

This manager is trying to do the right thing with minimal resource, but its communal facilities.
You won't see many coming forward, and this one has probably opened themselves up to social media hate.

South Auckland boarding house not visited by health services
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300419640/covid19-south-auckland-boarding-house-not-visited-by-health-services

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The property manager of a 42-bedroom boarding house in south Auckland says she hasn’t received any help from health services during this or any previous outbreak.
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“At night-time, I hardly sleep, I guard the place, so when it’s lockdown time I don’t allow any visitors inside.
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Poacher’s guests are all 30 years old or above, with some guests in their 70s.

She said she thought the Government didn’t care because her boarding house was in south Auckland, and the population was poor
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We got through past outbreaks without paying so much attention to vulnerable, but more you roll dice more luck might run out.
Now we are starting to send out mobile test and vaccination to cover these.

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#2788241 2-Oct-2021 13:37

ajobbins:

7 day case average looks like it's starting to trend up now after weeks of being flat

yes i've been postulating there was a plateau due to level 4, and we will get a new plateau with level 3, and new plateaus with change of public health measures.

perhaps we need to follow the vaccination rates, at this stage we are in limbo ie no man's land, vaccination is what MOH should be focussing on.

set up a tent at mcD's and KFC and give the gangs a happy meal for first jab and family bucket for second?

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#2788243 2-Oct-2021 13:39

peejayw:

Is the 90% vaccination target for fully vaccinated or does it include single vacs as well?

90% 2 doses of those who are eligible from what i've been reading

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#2788249 2-Oct-2021 13:53

I can't see the numbers dropping here on in.

Level 3 or 2 next week doesn't matter, it's only a matter of time before the numbers spike as the warmer weather gets people out and about.

I think only 9 out of today were at home isolating which is not great.

Govt should come out and say get vaccinated because this is impossible to contain. That may encourage those to get the jab and get us out of this.

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#2788251 2-Oct-2021 13:56

GV27:

I don't think there was a spike in suicides from our previous lockdowns, but the reality is that Aucklanders being expected to live with both a hard border AND alert level settings that will make transmission even easier (and prolong the requirements for hard borders) is really hard to cope with if it means you can't see family etc. This is what I find most people outside Auckland don't really get - we've had far more of this than anyone else has and we don't have a way out of it.

Buy-in will just disintegrate, faster than it is already. Gang members and Brian Tamaki doing what they want under lockdown has been a persistent issue, but so has boomers in well-off parts of Auckland getting together for driveway drinks and other such nonsense. Ponsonby Road apparently packed today with non-masking and people sitting down to have coffees outside cafes.

In the end the people who are doing their best to live with lockdown rules with no end in sight will just start giving up.

I really dont know what the answer is. Lockdowns work, 14 days and its out. Thats the theory and practice, and the tail is the high hanging fruit being careless. Nw, these high hanging fruit are intermingling large families (who also shop and need hospital visits) gangs, Tamaki. The lockdown will clearly contain these people but that won't be zero cases it will be a flatline of 20 per day probably.

Its easy for me or politicians to spout their ideas, but as someone affected, what would you feel as a way forward? Genuine question.

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#2788270 2-Oct-2021 14:20

tdgeek:

GV27:

This is what I find most people outside Auckland don't really get - we've had far more of this than anyone else has and we don't have a way out of it.

Buy-in will just disintegrate, faster than it is already. Gang members and Brian Tamaki doing what they want under lockdown has been a persistent issue, but so has boomers in well-off parts of Auckland getting together for driveway drinks and other such nonsense. Ponsonby Road apparently packed today with non-masking and people sitting down to have coffees outside cafes.

In the end the people who are doing their best to live with lockdown rules with no end in sight will just start giving up.

I really dont know what the answer is. Lockdowns work, 14 days and its out. Thats the theory and practice, and the tail is the high hanging fruit being careless. Nw, these high hanging fruit are intermingling large families (who also shop and need hospital visits) gangs, Tamaki. The lockdown will clearly contain these people but that won't be zero cases it will be a flatline of 20 per day probably.

Its easy for me or politicians to spout their ideas, but as someone affected, what would you feel as a way forward? Genuine question.

As a family we have been trying to do what is best for society, strong isolation and even having tests though we are asymptomatic and vaccinated just to get the numbers up.

The Tamaki and gangs activity, especially as it seems to be approved by the police, is just a kick in the teeth for us.

Looking forward we have almost an attitude of "stuff it". We will do what we can to be safe (hand sanitising, masks, full vaccination) but have had enough of trying to do without when others flout resrictions with impunity.

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#2788272 2-Oct-2021 14:30

The logical thing of to look at what is happening in NSW and Vic.
Despite level 3 case numbers rise on Auckland.
We need to try and keep it out of the regional area and have local lockdowns where needed.

Aim for 90% should vaccination (two months away of we are lucky @10k first doses a day).

Look to start vaccination of the 5-12 age group as soon as possible. Realistically most will be done first term next year if schools are open and you use them to help vaccination process.

Mask wearing and level 2 stays for the next year ( all 2022) and we start allowing home quarantine for 7 days if vaccinated from about term 2 next year once 5-12 kids are vaccinated.

Booster shots start next early year for at least those in groups 2 and 3.

Vaccination passports for events for those larger in level 2.

Instist employers must make staff show negative weekly covid PCR tests unless they are vaccinated or medically can't be vaccinated.

That's my predictions/ plan for the next year.

Sadly despite this I hope you don't need elective surgery next year.

Edit: I'd probably open up the Auckland border after 90% vacc so maybe December, but Ideally after kids done as well.

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#2788273 2-Oct-2021 14:33

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You are way too logical. I hope your predictions are right. We as a country are sailing without a rudder.

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#2788274 2-Oct-2021 14:36

Reanalyse:

As a family we have been trying to do what is best for society, strong isolation and even having tests though we are asymptomatic and vaccinated just to get the numbers up.

The Tamaki and gangs activity, especially as it seems to be approved by the police, is just a kick in the teeth for us.

Looking forward we have almost an attitude of "stuff it". We will do what we can to be safe (hand sanitising, masks, full vaccination) but have had enough of trying to do without when others flout resrictions with impunity.

I can fully understand that. You could argue that its Level 2, if you aren't vaccinated and you don't want to follow the rules you need to stay in level 3, and if you don't, it's your risk. Given that enough people are flouting to make the lockdown ineffective, you could give power back to the people as in my off the cuff suggestion. That puts hospitals under pressure and the border would still need to stay shut. Or, you bring in the military and put those into custody that break the Health Act rules. Random checkpoints, make the fines paid near to instantly by the banks somehow. Thats a penalty. The holding pattern cant stay in place forever, but how do you take control of the flouters?

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#2788275 2-Oct-2021 14:38

KrazyKid: The logical thing of to look at what is happening in NSW and Vic.
Despite level 3 case numbers rise on Auckland.
We need to try and keep it out of the regional area and have local lockdowns where needed.

Aim for 90% should vaccination (two months away of we are lucky @10k first doses a day).

Look to start vaccination of the 5-12 age group as soon as possible. Realistically most will be done first term next year if schools are open and you use them to help vaccination process.

Mask wearing and level 2 stays for the next year ( all 2022) and we start allowing home quarantine for 7 days if vaccinated from about term 2 next year once 5-12 kids are vaccinated.

Booster shots start next early year for at least those in groups 2 and 3.

Vaccination passports for events for those larger in level 2.

Instist employers must make staff show negative weekly covid PCR tests unless they are vaccinated or medically can't be vaccinated.

That's my predictions/ plan for the next year.

Sadly despite this I hope you don't need elective surgery next year.

Edit: I'd probably open up the Auckland border after 90% vacc so maybe December, but Ideally after kids done as well.

Yes, and many of that is already planned, but the issue right now is what does Auckland do?

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#2788279 2-Oct-2021 14:58

I think the Auckland border stays for a while (didn't Jacinda already say this), but I wouldn't be surprised if changes were made to get people working again within Auckland.

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#2788288 2-Oct-2021 15:46

tdgeek:

Its easy for me or politicians to spout their ideas, but as someone affected, what would you feel as a way forward? Genuine question.

Honestly, without getting too heavy on the political side - I have no idea.

I find it hard to justify a boundary to keep Covid in but lowering alert levels with the knowledge it can more easily spread behind that hard border.

At some point Auckland will simply have had enough of being the country's crash test dummy. I don't think we're there yet, but two major events in two days without police intervention will get us there a lot faster.

The schism between Auckland and the rest of the country is bad enough (look at the complaining when Auckland gets funding for an infrastructure project to catch us up with all the extra people that the government keeps adding to our population), but the rest of the population seem quite happy to pretend Covid is an Auckland problem like all the others and complain about why they can't go about their lives.

I don't think Auckland will forget this in a hurry.

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