2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2792717 10-Oct-2021 14:39

Case numbers 60

56 in Auckland, 3 in Waikato (linked) plus the case in Katikati.

Yet another person turns up at a hospital (North Shore - for dialysis), becomes unwell during treatment, tests positive.

Goodness knows what's actually going on - there seem to be far too many "random" cases turning up, but OTOH most of the reported cases still end up being linked. Maybe this is what happens when over half of the eligible population's double-vaccinated, mild or asymptomatic and being picked up as close contacts, not enough testing to get a feel for the size of the iceberg of undetected cases.

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#2792721 10-Oct-2021 14:55

I think its the old story, younger and fitter people may get SARS-Cov2, spread it, and are lowest vaccinated group.
Mostly its not much worse than a hard night on the town where they woke up throwing up in the gutter.

Like long term effects of Alcohol etc, vs advice of professionals we have on vaccination.
We find out about it when older more vulnerable catch it off family members, someone on dialysis .

So there have been 2-3 chains of transfer , and delta goes through whole family.

Testing all visitors to hospitals, patients, family, support people would be a good way to sample ?

I don't scan into my dealer, contactless transactions ?
Oh we had that organized super spreader event as well with people from all corners of Auckland.

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#2792727 10-Oct-2021 15:42

Fred99:
Case numbers 60

56 in Auckland, 3 in Waikato (linked) plus the case in Katikati.

Yet another person turns up at a hospital (North Shore - for dialysis), becomes unwell during treatment, tests positive.

Goodness knows what's actually going on - there seem to be far too many "random" cases turning up, but OTOH most of the reported cases still end up being linked. Maybe this is what happens when over half of the eligible population's double-vaccinated, mild or asymptomatic and being picked up as close contacts, not enough testing to get a feel for the size of the iceberg of undetected cases.

People not getting tested. Some scared they will be put into isolation etc when they need to earn money due to lack of monetary support etc. Some won’tbe keeping up with POIs. We are at least 7 days behind the virus so I suspect real numbers are now quite high and it now seems more ‘widespread’. Random cases appearing at hospitals is not a good sign.

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#2792729 10-Oct-2021 15:54

PolicyGuy:

Yes, I agree
I'm afraid that the only way a new L4 lockdown in Auckland (which IMO is what's needed) could work would be if there was very intensive and obtrusive policing of the lockdown conditions.
But I don't think that the NZ Police have either the staffing or the budget or the organisational willpower to do that. I also think that the government would not be prepared to authorise such a programme.

That being the case all we've got is "vaccinate and hope"

Don't vacillate, vaccinate

Agree 100%. I'd like a hard line. Im sure Aucklanders would like that. Stopped, wrong, hand over the car keys, anything basically. They wont patrol every street corner but there has to be a real and "today" penalty. Neighbours having beers? reported. Next time you are arrested and in custody. But no, probably many legal and human rights around that. Maybe people need to report people, if they want progress.

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#2792730 10-Oct-2021 15:56

GV27:

Some of the journos on Twitter unimpressed there is no 1pm press conference.

Not sure why. Thera are 60 cases almost all Auckland, stay home and vaccinate. Im not sure what the 1pm would add.

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#2792732 10-Oct-2021 15:58

Fred99:

Case numbers 60

56 in Auckland, 3 in Waikato (linked) plus the case in Katikati.

Yet another person turns up at a hospital (North Shore - for dialysis), becomes unwell during treatment, tests positive.

Goodness knows what's actually going on - there seem to be far too many "random" cases turning up, but OTOH most of the reported cases still end up being linked. Maybe this is what happens when over half of the eligible population's double-vaccinated, mild or asymptomatic and being picked up as close contacts, not enough testing to get a feel for the size of the iceberg of undetected cases.

Maybe. id say most of the fully vaccinated are compliant. The rest may or may not be. Its an epidemic of the unvaccinated.

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#2792733 10-Oct-2021 16:07

tdgeek:

GV27:

Some of the journos on Twitter unimpressed there is no 1pm press conference.

Not sure why. Thera are 60 cases almost all Auckland, stay home and vaccinate. Im not sure what the 1pm would add.

All they seem to want to do is point out the down sides to every possible option and scenario going forward and run a post-mortem (and blame) of where we have been.

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#2792735 10-Oct-2021 16:11

Buster:

All they seem to want to do is point out the down sides to every possible option and scenario going forward and run a post-mortem (and blame) of where we have been.

They dont blame. They should do. There is point where niceness and encouragement and positivity has to turn to blame. This isnt a rugby match. If we want level 4 in NZ everywhere, lets continue doing what we are doing, even though most are, the rest of us are and will be penalised

Im prepared for a Summer of Level 3 or 4, I'm in a L2 area.

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#2792736 10-Oct-2021 16:21

tdgeek:
Wow. And 31 of Fridays 45 cases were infectious in the community. If AKL runs L3 like L2, I guess its going to be a very long haul. Waikato seems to be holding

COVID is doing what it does. It’s not contained and it’s not going to stop in the upper north island.

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#2792740 10-Oct-2021 16:39

Im prepared for a Summer of Level 3 or 4, I'm in a L2 area.

Smart. It's obvious the virus is going to steadily spread out of Auckland and we all end up in level 3 for a period of 1+ months. At some point it will turn into level 2.5 like the Auckland plan is offering and we can expect that for a period of time. If we are unlucky most of next year.

We are going to follow what NSW and Singapore are doing as they are several months ahead of us in the cycle.

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#2792741 10-Oct-2021 16:43

NSW was a disaster though.

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#2792742 10-Oct-2021 16:45

Handle9:
tdgeek:

Wow. And 31 of Fridays 45 cases were infectious in the community. If AKL runs L3 like L2, I guess its going to be a very long haul. Waikato seems to be holding

COVID is doing what it does. It’s not contained and it’s not going to stop in the upper north island.

Yes it will, which is why I gave up a week or more ago. Lets wait to see if it doubles in cases in every location every two weeks

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#2792743 10-Oct-2021 16:46

KrazyKid:

Im prepared for a Summer of Level 3 or 4, I'm in a L2 area.

Smart. It's obvious the virus is going to steadily spread out of Auckland and we all end up in level 3 for a period of 1+ months. At some point it will turn into level 2.5 like the Auckland plan is offering and we can expect that for a period of time. If we are unlucky most of next year.

We are going to follow what NSW and Singapore are doing as they are several months ahead of us in the cycle.

It will be interesting if some locations comply better than others.

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#2792744 10-Oct-2021 16:56

quickymart:

NSW was a disaster though.

How would you describe Singapore? 3500 cases per day in recent days. Rolling 7 day deaths is about 6 deaths per day. 11 deaths yesterday.

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#2792745 10-Oct-2021 17:03

quickymart:

NSW was a disaster though.

The pandemic is a disaster. NZ is the latest victim, it's going much the same way as NSW and Victoria.

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