2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2440002 17-Mar-2020 14:29

frankv:

Am I the only person wondering whether recovery from COVID-19 would be a valuable attribute? Whilst there are suggestions that it does not guarantee immunity, it would surely provide immunity against the strain that did infect you.

And, to it's (il)logical conclusion... would it not be a good idea to send a few young, low-risk-of-death-and-complications doctors and nurses to (say) Wuhan or Milan to get infected, stay there until they are no longer infectious, then come back to NZ in time for the expected wave of hospital admissions? We'd at least have small cohort of clinicians who could (generally) be relied on to treat coronavirus patients, probably without the need for PPE.

There was case where someone tested positive again after already having recovered. But how many times has someone had a cold, only to then get another cold a month or so later?

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#2440004 17-Mar-2020 14:33

It is interesting how after only a few days, NZ's moves on Saturday now seem outdated and not enough.

After what Canada and US have done today, I think we now need to restrict entry to NZ to just NZ residents and people returning to NZ. Especially in light of people reportedly saying that they were not going to follow self isolation procedures. That will then need resources to make sure they are doing this, whereas police resources could be better used elsewhere during this.

Also I think school etc are going to have to close now, as will mass gathering of more than 10. We don't seem to know if there is local or community transmission currently occurring, but if it is, in the coming weeks cases in NZ could skyrocket, and it is what we do know that will make the difference. It appears however we are planning that community transmission is going to occur with the half billion announced for more doctors and resources. Once the cases skyrocket, then it is too late. The 1-2 week incubation period of this illness means that by the time someone has gotten ill, you have to go back in time to trace where they have been, and been in contact with.

Therefore we can make a difference on what the number of cases will be in two week time, by being preemptive today.

NZ Business are essentially already doing this, as it is seem as a 'risk' under health and safety. People are cancelling business meetings all over NZ. I had two meetings planned for tomorrow cancelled due to this, as it was seen too high risk to travel and meet.

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#2440005 17-Mar-2020 14:34

frankv:

Am I the only person wondering whether recovery from COVID-19 would be a valuable attribute? Whilst there are suggestions that it does not guarantee immunity, it would surely provide immunity against the strain that did infect you.

And, to it's (il)logical conclusion... would it not be a good idea to send a few young, low-risk-of-death-and-complications doctors and nurses to (say) Wuhan or Milan to get infected, stay there until they are no longer infectious, then come back to NZ in time for the expected wave of hospital admissions? We'd at least have small cohort of clinicians who could (generally) be relied on to treat coronavirus patients, probably without the need for PPE.

Its a good point. I read there is a test group being infected to vaccine purpsoes, unser where it was. Plus how immune you are afterwards is not really well known, as I think Fred alluded to .

If we do really well, have limited CT events, then have to consider that we arent very immune, yeah I'd suck it up and accept that problem! :-)

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#2440006 17-Mar-2020 14:34

mattwnz:
It is interesting how after only a few days, NZ's moves on Saturday now seem outdated and not enough.

After what Canada and US have done today, I think we now need to restrict entry to NZ to just NZ residents and people returning to NZ. Especially in light of people reportedly saying that they were not going to follow self isolation procedures.

Also I think school etc are going to have to close now, as will mass gathering of more than 10. We don't seem to know if there is local or community transmission currently occurring, but if it is, in the coming weeks cases in NZ could skyrocket, and it is what we do know that will make the difference. It appears however we are planning that community transmission is going to occur with the half billion announced for more doctors and resources. Once the cases skyrocket, then it is too late. The 1-2 week incubation period of this illness means that by the time someone has gotten ill, you have to go back in time to trace where they have been, and been in contact with.

Therefore we can make a difference on what the number of cases will be in two week time, by being preemptive today.

NZ Business are essentially already doing this, as it is seem as a 'risk' under health and safety. People are cancelling business meetings all over NZ. I had two meetings planned for tomorrow cancelled due to this, as it was seen too high risk to travel and meet.

Yes, but who's telling the PM? Shut the border today or shut down in 15 days.

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#2440007 17-Mar-2020 14:36

mattwnz:

There was case where someone tested positive again after already having recovered. But how many times has someone had a cold, only to then get another cold a month or so later?

They probably hadn't "recovered" in terms of eliminating the virus completely - even though they'd recovered from symptoms.

There are dozens of different viruses that cause "colds" - there's no reason why you wouldn't catch a different virus or strain a month or so later. If you're otherwise well / immunocompetent - then you shouldn't catch the same cold twice within months.

Trials using the Covid-19 virus with rhesus monkeys don't support the idea that rapid re-infection should happen.

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#2440008 17-Mar-2020 14:38

mattwnz:

NZ Business are essentially already doing this, as it is seem as a 'risk' under health and safety. People are cancelling business meetings all over NZ. I had two meetings planned for tomorrow cancelled due to this, as it was seen too high risk to travel and meet.

Finally discovering just how many meetings actually can be emails. :-/

Or, more seriously, using technology in other ways (conference calls, Teams etc).

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#2440009 17-Mar-2020 14:40

geoffwnz:

mattwnz:

NZ Business are essentially already doing this, as it is seem as a 'risk' under health and safety. People are cancelling business meetings all over NZ. I had two meetings planned for tomorrow cancelled due to this, as it was seen too high risk to travel and meet.

Finally discovering just how many meetings actually can be emails. :-/

Or, more seriously, using technology in other ways (conference calls, Teams etc).

These particular meeting need physical meetings as they are physical inspections. Photos won't work. So they have had to be pushed back in time.

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#2440011 17-Mar-2020 14:45

Fred99:

mattwnz:

There was case where someone tested positive again after already having recovered. But how many times has someone had a cold, only to then get another cold a month or so later?

They probably hadn't "recovered" in terms of eliminating the virus completely - even though they'd recovered from symptoms.

There are dozens of different viruses that cause "colds" - there's no reason why you wouldn't catch a different virus or strain a month or so later. If you're otherwise well / immunocompetent - then you shouldn't catch the same cold twice within months.

Trials using the Covid-19 virus with rhesus monkeys don't support the idea that rapid re-infection should happen.

That seems to be UKs approach using herd immunity with younger people. But it doesn't seem to be supported by the WHO. They want countries to eliminate it.

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#2440013 17-Mar-2020 14:48

One business seems to be booming because of coronavirus https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/237324-surge-sex-toy-sales-because-of-covid19.html

Regards,

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#2440029 17-Mar-2020 14:57

mattwnz:

That seems to be UKs approach using herd immunity with younger people. But it doesn't seem to be supported by the WHO. They want countries to eliminate it.

I don't believe it is the UK's "plan" - or was misreported. Their response seems to be pretty consistent with what everyone else is doing. They were too slow to get started - so how well they'll go is anybody's guess. 55 deaths / 1543 cases at a time they've been having ~25% daily increase in cases suggests that it's got ahead of them.

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#2440031 17-Mar-2020 14:58

Talk to some friends who works & lives in overseas in some countries that have more than 100 cases reported. Pretty much they say its a norm now when you go out everywhere to do things or buy things. Before enter the supermarket, the security guard will have thermal testing ready to test every customers, same with banks, even pubs & clubs are the same, so if you have a little fever or sick, you won't get to go in.

Will NZ ever reach to this points need thermal testing in every places you enter? Hopefully not, but if NZ slowly getting more cases, won't be surprised it will happened.

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#2440032 17-Mar-2020 14:58

mattwnz:

WHO have said that ALL countries now need to TEST TEST TEST

W.H.O. does he think he is telling people what to do! 😊

Lightening the mood, too many emotions in here

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#2440033 17-Mar-2020 15:09

mattwnz:
Therefore we can make a difference on what the number of cases will be in two week time, by being preemptive today.

You mean like keeping your distance from others and keeping transmissional things clean?

Stop thinking about the border. Stop thinking all the 'it will' happen and great ideas others can do to stop spread
Your idea is excatly what is being asked of us. And up to us now to prevent it. That is the message being pushed.

All these great ideas are awesome. But you work with what you can control. Not what you can't.

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#2440036 17-Mar-2020 15:16

geoffwnz:

mattwnz:

NZ Business are essentially already doing this, as it is seem as a 'risk' under health and safety. People are cancelling business meetings all over NZ. I had two meetings planned for tomorrow cancelled due to this, as it was seen too high risk to travel and meet.

Finally discovering just how many meetings actually can be emails. :-/

Or, more seriously, using technology in other ways (conference calls, Teams etc).

Many corporates have also moved to work from home already (my wife works for the biggest insurer and that's what they have done along with the likes of EY) - get all those who can out of the building so only those who can't are left = smaller number of people in the office. Government departments from what I've seen seem to be going along business as usual with maybe some limits on travel.

I think once they government starts battening down the hatches, the rest of the private sector will soon follow.

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#2440037 17-Mar-2020 15:18

Govt Fires its "Fiscal Bazooka" at Coronavirus

When I first read the headline, I thought it said "fecal bazooka"...I was mildly horrified.

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