2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2795470 14-Oct-2021 18:32

Sounds like hes just bloody minded about a lvl4. id love to have been a fly on the wall, why they didnt try to fix the issue when at 8 cases and do a complete turn about on elimination as it was beggining to work, and would have with some common sense measures. I guess we wont know until the next Govt etc. Shrugging of experts, never a good idea Chris.

Govt shrugs off expert pleas for Level 4, expects cases to spike

Why we must not allow COVID to become endemic in New Zealand (theconversation.com)

Some long covid to look foward too, well done team.

"Just four cycles of Delta infection could result in more than 250 times as many cases as four cycles of flu.

If COVID-19 becomes endemic, every year, many of us will know someone who dies.

If COVID-19 becomes endemic, more than a third of unvaccinated cases, even the asymptomatic, will have symptoms months later. Flu leaves little lasting damage. Long COVID damages the lungs, heart, brain, hearing and vision as well as the insulin-producing cells of the pancreas, causing diabetes."

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#2795474 14-Oct-2021 18:38

TeaLeaf:

Sounds like hes just bloody minded about a lvl4. id love to have been a fly on the wall, why they didnt try to fix the issue when at 8 cases and do a complete turn about on elimination as it was beggining to work, and would have with some common sense measures. I guess we wont know until the next Govt etc. Shrugging of experts, never a good idea Chris.

Govt shrugs off expert pleas for Level 4, expects cases to spike

Why we must not allow COVID to become endemic in New Zealand (theconversation.com)

Some long covid to look foward too, well done team.

"Just four cycles of Delta infection could result in more than 250 times as many cases as four cycles of flu.

If COVID-19 becomes endemic, every year, many of us will know someone who dies.

If COVID-19 becomes endemic, more than a third of unvaccinated cases, even the asymptomatic, will have symptoms months later. Flu leaves little lasting damage. Long COVID damages the lungs, heart, brain, hearing and vision as well as the insulin-producing cells of the pancreas, causing diabetes."

you don't think he's just a spokesperson? i mean, it's his decision you reckon? i don't think so.

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#2795476 14-Oct-2021 18:41

TeaLeaf:

Sounds like hes just bloody minded about a lvl4. id love to have been a fly on the wall, why they didnt try to fix the issue when at 8 cases and do a complete turn about on elimination as it was beggining to work, and would have with some common sense measures. I guess we wont know until the next Govt etc. Shrugging of experts, never a good idea Chris.

Govt shrugs off expert pleas for Level 4, expects cases to spike

Why we must not allow COVID to become endemic in New Zealand (theconversation.com)

Some long covid to look foward too, well done team.

"Just four cycles of Delta infection could result in more than 250 times as many cases as four cycles of flu.

If COVID-19 becomes endemic, every year, many of us will know someone who dies.

If COVID-19 becomes endemic, more than a third of unvaccinated cases, even the asymptomatic, will have symptoms months later. Flu leaves little lasting damage. Long COVID damages the lungs, heart, brain, hearing and vision as well as the insulin-producing cells of the pancreas, causing diabetes."

Hopefully a good vaccine comes along that stops transmission. This one apparently only prevents transmission by about half. It looks like it is going to be endemic in Auckland at least. It maybe a case that we end up in lockdowns over winter to slow down spreading, which is what they are planning on doing in UK if cases get too high.

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#2795518 14-Oct-2021 19:50

mattwnz:

Remember a few weeks ago the messaging was the Covid Delta has a long tail, to explain why cases were bouncing around in the low 10s, and that there were only a few active clusters remaining. Now that messaging has disappeared, ...

Of course, the first outbreak was successfully squashed. We are now dealing with a subsequent outbreak.

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#2795534 14-Oct-2021 20:12

I think they realised the demographic of the last few active clusters remaining could not be contained and there was no point in continuing L4 for a really long time.

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#2795535 14-Oct-2021 20:16

ANglEAUT:

mattwnz:

Remember a few weeks ago the messaging was the Covid Delta has a long tail, to explain why cases were bouncing around in the low 10s,

Of course, the first outbreak was successfully squashed. We are now dealing with a subsequent outbreak.

i'm not sure to laugh or to cry?

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#2795562 14-Oct-2021 20:34

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ANglEAUT:

Of course, the first outbreak was successfully squashed. We are now dealing with a subsequent outbreak.

i'm not sure to laugh or to cry?

Well that's what was announced a week or two back. Believe it or not Mr Ripley.

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#2795571 14-Oct-2021 20:50

Technofreak:

Well that's what was announced a week or two back. Believe it or not Mr Ripley.

thing is, people believe every word they say. anyone who says otherwise is some stupid fool. let's hope everything works out. fingers crossed.

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#2795598 14-Oct-2021 21:39

I'm just awfully confused by our latest official approach which seems to be one of creating fear and panic and scaring people so they'll be vaccinated. I'm just not really sure that's really creating an environment where those who are vaccine hesitant are going to suddenly rock up and be vaccinated.

What is pretty clear is that the response now is political rather than health based, and that many from the political left on social media are distraught and in disbelief at the response of the government and can't understand why Auckland isn't back at L4. When all these people for so long lived with the idea that we'd beaten Covid and won, it's making it even tougher hearing what we may well have to now go through.

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#2795600 14-Oct-2021 21:42

MileHighKiwi:

A circuit breaker won't be applied to Auckland because of the political fall out. Anyone who disagrees with that is naive. That doesn't mean places like Wellington can't go to 3, which I expect soon, but I don't see Auckland going back now, the Govt has started down a path and IMO won't turn back - there simply won't be enough buy in this time.

Not saying I disagree & they've said they won't turn back, but if it got to the point where doctors have to choose who lives or dies... well that's not great politically. Unfortunately they're in the unenviable position of having to choose between two awful timelines, like the political equivalent of playing with Velociraptors or the T-Rex.

I'm hoping that health system collapse is unlikely with our current vaccination rates but I'm not an epidemiologist, not like the two who asked the Govt today for an immediate Level 4 & got shot down.

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#2795617 14-Oct-2021 22:21

sbiddle:

I'm just not really sure that's really creating an environment where those who are vaccine hesitant are going to suddenly rock up and be vaccinated.

What is pretty clear is that the response now is political rather than health based.

Yep, Dr Monica Ghandi, head of San Fran infectious disease centre (one of the biggest in the world). She is so soft, she simply says you cannot tell people what to do, you can only give them factual information so that they may question what they thought was true and seek the real truth. I believe in this, not fear.

As for political, the health, wealth and mental state of Auckland is simply one big political stunt. And I think its back firing on them and showing up the lack of quality politicians in Labour. Enough said there. But I will say, they should be letting the experts make the decisions, is Chris Hipkins a virologist? Yes hes the minister for covid, but that doesnt mean he should be the decision maker, he should simply be the announcer of decisions, but that does not seem to be what is occuring, with many of his staff left blind sided by moving to lvl 3.

So, it would look even more ridiculous if they did the right thing and got the R number down and the community cases back to singe digits and then via contact tracing, eliminated the disease (to the point they could manage the tracing at least). Because they have already spent billions and wasted lives in Auckland, pushing us into lvl 4, which we understood, but we needed more funding especially for the lower socio economic areas, we needed education on why congregating big households together was a no no, education on the efficacy of masks and vaccines and social distancing and the importance of getting a test, even it it meant sending people around to test door to door. It required manual labour to address the South Auckland hot spot, and Auckland deserved it.

Instead we are just pitri dish, being controlled in and out of lockdown, until they clammer to put a plan in place that should have been there well before they opened the doors to Delta.

I think ultimately this pandemic needs a new leader, a non political one. Puppets making Muppet like decisions is just not good enough when its not their lives they are messing with.

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#2795618 14-Oct-2021 22:22

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-raglan-area-school-allows-antivax-meetings-says-its-trying-to-avoid-division/ZF6XHTISJOHBWX6I6OBJDKVM4A/

Sigh.

TeaLeaf

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#2795620 14-Oct-2021 22:27

Batman:

you don't think he's just a spokesperson? i mean, it's his decision you reckon? i don't think so.

I really do think ultimately they are all puppets politically. What worries me, is the amount of their own panel blind sided by the decisions, let alone the virology community at large. So something is going wrong, when a decision that should have not been made was, ultimately nothing was done about south auck and educating cultures on how we need to handle this situation, supporting them with physical labour, education door to door and voluntary vaccination and or testing.

Right now Im confused what Chris is trying to buy time for, because they havnt announced any of these last minute plans that should already have been made to handle the outbreak they have reconstructed.

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#2795621 14-Oct-2021 22:28

Two messages in last week advising my hospital is 100% occupancy and to expedite discharges and covid hasn't hit yet

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#2795624 14-Oct-2021 22:41

It’d be somewhat helpful if people made statements that were somewhat fact based.

The COVID 19 technical advisory group is just that. They are not staff, they are not part of the MOH and they have no authority or responsibility for decisions.

Like them or not these sort of decisions are what politicians are elected to make and they are accountable for these decisions.

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