2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2440191 17-Mar-2020 17:35

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Two new cases in Wellington, one in Dunedin. Total of 11 now.

And the undiscovered - it starts like it did here. For each one known tested positive, there is another flock untested positive.

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#2440196 17-Mar-2020 18:04

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freitasm:

Two new cases in Wellington, one in Dunedin. Total of 11 now.

And the undiscovered - it starts like it did here. For each one known tested positive, there is another flock untested positive.

There seems to be confusion over how contagious it is, and how easily it spreads. I thought the MOH in NZ said it wasn't very contagious and needs more prolonged contact to spread, but in the US, the President and his team have said it is very contagious. There seems to be a lot of other conflicting information about it I have read.

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#2440197 17-Mar-2020 18:06

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so, who here would like the border shut?

It is going to happen sooner or later. It should have already been done IMO, because tourists are coming into NZ without any self isolation plans as shown at https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120344713/coronavirus-tourist-to-be-deported-from-nz-for-having-no-plans-to-selfisolate

How many others are floating around the country? At least they will now be deported.

But we still want NZers to be able to return, but they must self quarantine themselves IMO, as the risk now that they have it is no longer small.

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#2440200 17-Mar-2020 18:10

Country specific advice on safe-travel seems pretty dated. (i.e. Italy set to "AVOID ALL NON-ESSENTIAL", rather than "DO NOT TRAVEL", no mention of covid-19 on for example the USA page as an example of a higher risk area).

Overall banner is quite strongly worded, and seems very current:

ALERT - COVID-19 - AVOID ALL NON-ESSENTIAL TRAVEL OVERSEAS - We urge New Zealanders currently travelling overseas to consider returning home while commercial options remain available....

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#2440213 17-Mar-2020 18:30

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I am trying to figure out what this means for our business. If we have a 30% drop in revenue (not margin, revenue) then we have bigger problems than a $150K wage subsidy can fix. I can't think of many businesses who could take a 30% it in revenue.

A lot of the analysis around this package seems to be "It's so big!".

I'm also seriously worried about our power bill given the winter energy allowance just got doubled. We don't qualify.

What has your power bill, as you are employed got tot do with it? Not trying to be mean.

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#2440216 17-Mar-2020 18:38

mattwnz:

There seems to be confusion over how contagious it is, and how easily it spreads. I thought the MOH in NZ said it wasn't very contagious and needs more prolonged contact to spread, but in the US, the President and his team have said it is very contagious. There seems to be a lot of other conflicting information about it I have read.

Sorry mate, what I bolded.... :-)

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#2440221 17-Mar-2020 18:43

mattwnz:
Batman:

so, who here would like the border shut?

It is going to happen sooner or later. It should have already been done IMO, because tourists are coming into NZ without any self isolation plans as shown at https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120344713/coronavirus-tourist-to-be-deported-from-nz-for-having-no-plans-to-selfisolate

How many others are floating around the country? At least they will now be deported.

But we still want NZers to be able to return, but they must self quarantine themselves IMO, as the risk now that they have it is no longer small.

Exactly all it will take is one super spreader & its lights out for us.

I think the problem with the PM is she does the right thing about 2 weeks too late. She sort of reacts to developments. when we need someone who attempts to predict what will happen & take the initiative.

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#2440224 17-Mar-2020 18:48

Well. I'll probably get hammered, but here goes. Prior to Saturdays announcement there was the usual well commented posts here. Since Saturday its like hell broke loose, but all it was was an announcement of everyone has to do 14 days. But IMHO the stance now by many is that its WAY too late and WAY not enough? Why wasnt that the voice here weeks before Saturday???

In some ways we have been slow, aka conservative. We have a low, and low density population to afford that. We have also been pro active, I think the first country to force everyone to self isolation? This changes fast, really fast. Australia followed us, ups to us. Other countries have quickly come harder (as they are overwhelmed) Now, we are slow to react???

Im actually quite proud of where we are. 11 cases., all imported, no known CT. Contact tracing seems awesome. I recall when we had 5 or 6 cases, one of them had 171 close contacts, all tracked. These bods that have/are being deported were tracked down. We are Sherlock Holmes here. And the doctors, GP's , nurses and the MoH Healthline Call Centre, I heard today they had 24000 calls? Not all answered, but IMHO we are doing great. Not slow.

As to why we have no "known" CT's, maybe that's good management with a few teaspoons of luck, but we are punching well above our weight, IMHO

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#2440225 17-Mar-2020 18:51

Good to have an optimistic view, with all the doom and gloom.

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#2440226 17-Mar-2020 18:52

dogstar001:

Exactly all it will take is one super spreader & its lights out for us.

I think the problem with the PM is she does the right thing about 2 weeks too late. She sort of reacts to developments. when we need someone who attempts to predict what will happen & take the initiative.

No way, hose. We could have easily shut everyone out months ago. Should we have? Check how many CT's we have, how many cases, per capita.

Dont blame the PM, or Simon Bridges who agreed to all this, blame the Ministry of Health, the experts. Then ask why we have such low cases and no known CT. Because we made sound decisions, end of story.

EDIT apologies for being so blunt

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#2440228 17-Mar-2020 18:59

Way to go @tdgeek 👍👍

Totally agree with your above two posts

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2440229 17-Mar-2020 19:00

mattwnz:

There seems to be confusion over how contagious it is, and how easily it spreads. I thought the MOH in NZ said it wasn't very contagious and needs more prolonged contact to spread, but in the US, the President and his team have said it is very contagious. There seems to be a lot of other conflicting information about it I have read.

I'm really the last person on earth to give Mr Trump a run, but in this case - but I'm enforced to, sorry for that. My intention is not to disrespect your MoH but I fear, many will make the wrong conclusions from what they said.

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#2440230 17-Mar-2020 19:00

Glad someone else is slowly seeing the light. the recycling posts and shoulda/woulda aren't going to change the now and should be directed elsewhere. We put our trust into decision makers. Decisions have been made.

Focus on here/us/now

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#2440234 17-Mar-2020 19:02

sir1963:

Airline staff being quarantined for 2 weeks at either end would make it uneconomic for travel.

but are they?

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#2440235 17-Mar-2020 19:05

tdgeek:

Well. I'll probably get hammered, but here goes. Prior to Saturdays announcement there was the usual well commented posts here. Since Saturday its like hell broke loose, but all it was was an announcement of everyone has to do 14 days. But IMHO the stance now by many is that its WAY too late and WAY not enough? Why wasnt that the voice here weeks before Saturday???

Check out my post I made way back on the 28th January in this thread, where I said that we should be restricting air travel and also banning flights in from China. This was before the flight ban occurred with China. I was worried back then about this, and didn't think it would play along like this. I thought it would be contained like the SARS had been previously. That is a month and a half ago, and now look where we are at.

But compared to many first world countries, we are very lucky not to have more reported cases. The problem as the person who was in charge of the SARS outbreak said, if you look at this like an iceberg, and all the reported cases what is showing above the waterline. How big is the iceberg under the waterline, which are all those people who are potentially incubating it and are not showing symptoms yet and haven't been tested?. Do we have any rumblings in communities that there is CT occurring?

Luckily all cases reported today are from overseas.But as they have ramped up testing, it is possible that those increased tests may increase the curve, but hopefully none will be CT cases. But potentially if over the next week, if all cases can be tracked back to overseas travel, we should be in a good place.

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