2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2799253 22-Oct-2021 10:05

If you have not already. May want to beat the rush to the online vaccine record sign up and verification..

It has a banner that more features coming soon, incl certificate. And I imagine this conf is about to make it popular

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#2799256 22-Oct-2021 10:13

So... when all the Auckland DHBs get to 90% double-jabbed (so a week then +3 weeks assuming we can hit 95% in the next seven days), we get to move into the Red Alert?

...or 29th November review at cabinet level.

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#2799258 22-Oct-2021 10:18

Wow, there really is going to be a separation between vaxxed and non vaxxed, they have thrown the responsibility directly onto businesses to operate with the vaccine passport requirement. Yes it "voluntary", but if a business chooses not to, they then have to run with existing measures (masks, social distancing, limits etc).

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#2799269 22-Oct-2021 10:32

So do the current settings for the rest of NZ (Level 2) stay in place till all DHB's hit 90% or each areas hit 90% full vaxxed then we move into Orange level?

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#2799270 22-Oct-2021 10:37

JPNZ:

So do the current settings for the rest of NZ (Level 2) stay in place till all DHB's hit 90% or each areas hit 90% full vaxxed then we move into Orange level?

Yes. It's hard not to see this as the boat being pushed out until the end of November.

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#2799275 22-Oct-2021 10:40

So one DHB area will be Orange or Green at 90% and the DHB next door or either side may be Red at 85%, or have I misunderstood. Where will that border be for each DHB and how will anyone know which street is in Red DHB and which is in Green.

The unvaccinated can now hold an entire DHB area to ransom for months and where does that leave us in level 2 areas now. Are we now Red or Orange since we have not reached 90%

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#2799276 22-Oct-2021 10:42

So potentially another 6 weeks with no change? Meanwhile 2.8 million fully vaccinated people sit, frustratedly tapping their toes. Even Chairman Dan in Victoria hasn’t set such ~~unachievable~~ aspirational goals. And it’s all dependant on the FIBI amongst us.

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#2799277 22-Oct-2021 10:42

It would appear the rest of us are potentially 'red' already(?). And will be joined by AKL if they get 16,000 more jabs in (it did seem like that was a form of ransom - here's your last chance poke)

And once they join us in red. Everyone will go 'orange' once all CHDBs hit the target.

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#2799278 22-Oct-2021 10:45

Oblivian:

It would appear the rest of us are potentially 'red' already(?). And will be joined by AKL if they get 16,000 more jabs in (it did seem like that was a form of ransom - here's your last chance poke)

And once they join us in red. Everyone will go 'orange' once all CHDBs hit the target.

16,000 jabs + three weeks until they can get their second, and then possibly more allowing for leakage between 1st and 2nd dosers who may not return for round two.

29th November is the best Auckland can realistically hope for, and even then it is a move to Red Alert, not orange from what I can tell.

I'm struggling to see the certainty this apparently provides.

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#2799279 22-Oct-2021 10:46

Eva888: So one DHB area will be Orange or Green at 90% and the DHB next door or either side may be Red at 85%, or have I misunderstood. Where will that border be for each DHB and how will anyone know which street is in Red DHB and which is in Green.

The unvaccinated can now hold an entire DHB area to ransom for months and where does that leave us in level 2 areas now. Are we now Red or Orange since we have not reached 90%

No I believe all of NZ will go orange when ALL DHB's hit 90% fully vaccinated. I personally don't think that will happen this year. 5 DHB's haven't even got to 60% fully vaxxed yet

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#2799281 22-Oct-2021 10:49

GV27:

16,000 jabs + three weeks until they can get their second, and then possibly more allowing for leakage between 1st and 2nd dosers who may not return for round two.

The way I understood it, I thought the PM was referring to 16,000 doses as opposed to 16,000 people needing first doses. In other words, it could potentially just be 16,000 people requiring a second dose.

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#2799282 22-Oct-2021 10:50

GV27:

Oblivian:

It would appear the rest of us are potentially 'red' already(?). And will be joined by AKL if they get 16,000 more jabs in (it did seem like that was a form of ransom - here's your last chance poke)

And once they join us in red. Everyone will go 'orange' once all CHDBs hit the target.

16,000 jabs + three weeks until they can get their second, and then possibly more allowing for leakage between 1st and 2nd dosers who may not return for round two.

29th November is the best Auckland can realistically hope for, and even then it is a move to Red Alert, not orange from what I can tell.

I'm struggling to see the certainty this apparently provides.

and when asked if this an end to lockdowns she never said yes.so who knows, some things are still not clear.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2799283 22-Oct-2021 10:50

Eva888: So one DHB area will be Orange or Green at 90% and the DHB next door or either side may be Red at 85%, or have I misunderstood. Where will that border be for each DHB and how will anyone know which street is in Red DHB and which is in Green.

The unvaccinated can now hold an entire DHB area to ransom for months and where does that leave us in level 2 areas now. Are we now Red or Orange since we have not reached 90%

No - The framework does not apply until ALL DHBs reach 90%, except possibly Auckland who may be moved into the framework earlier BUT the border will remain

Cabinet will review all the DHBs vaccination rates on the 29th Nov ( if some have not reached 90%) and make a decision to move either the South Island, or the rest of NZ, into the framework. This is to cover off the cases where the vaxx rate may be 89.5% etc

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#2799284 22-Oct-2021 10:51

alasta:

GV27:

16,000 jabs + three weeks until they can get their second, and then possibly more allowing for leakage between 1st and 2nd dosers who may not return for round two.

The way I understood it, I thought the PM was referring to 16,000 doses as opposed to 16,000 people needing first doses. In other words, it could potentially just be 16,000 people requiring a second dose.

No it was 16,000 more to hit 90% first vax. Will be 3-6 weeks plus to get close to 90% double vaxxed.

Here are the traffic light details too..

https://www.scribd.com/document/534271726/Covid-19-Protection-Framework#fullscreen&from_embed

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#2799285 22-Oct-2021 10:51

Oblivian:

It would appear the rest of us are potentially 'red' already(?). And will be joined by AKL if they get 16,000 more jabs in (it did seem like that was a form of ransom - here's your last chance poke)

And once they join us in red. Everyone will go 'orange' once all CHDBs hit the target.

That's sort of what I gathered too.

Red is basically level 2.5. Auckland will move to Red once the three DHBs in Auckland reach 90% fully vaxxed. Once the rest of the country catches up, they move to Orange, then Auckland joins them and we are allowed out to see out families.

At Red and Orange, if a business chooses not to check vaccine certificates, they have to operate at the old Level 3 rules (so Hospo will be contactless, hairdressers cannot open). At Red, retail opens, with distancing requirements (and they don't have to check vaccine certificates).

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