2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2800047 23-Oct-2021 16:28

Oblivian:
Another poster child is showing us, it doesn't mean everything to have lots jabbed

A total of 18 people died from Covid in Singapore on Wednesday, a grim new record for the tiny nation of just 5.6 million.

That same day, 3862 new cases were recorded, followed by 2937 on Thursday.

Extending their hardened rules previously raised again.

"Of the 18 recorded on Wednesday, nine were vaccinated, eight were unvaccinated, and one was partially vaccinated.

All except one unvaccinated case had underlying medical conditions, MOH said in its daily update, without giving further details." - The Straits Times

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#2800048 23-Oct-2021 16:30

cshwone:

According to https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/22-10-2021/the-spinoff-covid-tracker/ and based on MoH data there are 15070 first doses and 211138 second doses required in Auckland to get to 90% across the three DHBs. Not sure of the latest data date on that but think it was the 19th.

I heard the NTZB hosts today saying that about 5% of people who get the first vaccination may not get the second. If that is the case, then we need to get 95% . SOme other countries have managed to get nearly 100% of eligible people done, so I am not sure how they have managed to do that without some form of stick or carrot.

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#2800050 23-Oct-2021 16:37

From 21st a few days ago on Singapore.

Daily cases of vaccinated seniors with Covid-19 fell from 1,000 to 279
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/number-of-vaccinated-seniors-with-covid-19-reported-each-day-fell-from-1000-to-279

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However, in contrast to the vaccinated seniors who have been seeing falling infections, the number of unvaccinated seniors aged 60 and above getting infected still continues to be high, Mr Ong said.

They account for two-thirds of the patients in the intensive care unit (ICU) and those who have died, he added.

As at Tuesday, there are a total of 71 cases in the ICU, 54 of which are of seniors above 60 years old.

“So over the past five days, the number of infections among this group averaged 127 a day, and for them the disease is not 98.6 per cent mild,” said Mr Ong.

“For unvaccinated seniors in their 60s, our data shows one in four will require oxygen, ICU care or will succumb (to their illness).

“The risk goes up to one in three for those in their 70s, one in two for those in their 80s or older. Once an unvaccinated senior is on oxygen, more than one in five will go on to need ICU care or die.
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#2800114 23-Oct-2021 17:45

There is now a 'to 90%' table the graphical sites are latching to

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data

Not flash reading even for cdhb

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#2800123 23-Oct-2021 18:03

mattwnz:

tdgeek:

Auckland reaches 90% first dose, in 3 weeks (plus a few hanging on for the magical extended dose periods) it will be closing in

I hope that once 90% is reached, that first doses don't drop off. They previously said they didn't want to announce a target, because that is what they thought would happen. Apparently there are still about 150,000 eligible people in Auckland that need to have their first dose. As shown in Singapore, Ireland etc, we really need to be getting close to 100% of eligible people to reduce demand on the health system. The health system capacity is really the determining factor IMO. Getting people to get their second dose could then be the problem.

I probably should apologise for my positive post. Over the population of NZ has died. Its not an easy fix. Singapore is failing as is Ireland, both poster countries. If any country got high vax % you are still left with many that are not vexed, hence the cases. And being vaxxed is not a free pass.

If people got one dose and they dont get the second, My God, why bother with the first????

Yes the health system is the deciding factor. Of all those that got fully vaccinated (thanks), you can recover at home mainly. Many wont get symptoms, so that's fine. Then the health system needs to say you got Covid, no jabs, go home and take these pills so we can do surgery on others. if badly sick go to A+E

Here in GodZone, if the health system got fuller, then MoH will drag back the lockdown. What other choice is there? If we had a very compliant population this would be easier to manage, but we dont, despite the vast majority doing the hard yards

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#2800125 23-Oct-2021 18:07

Oblivian:

Another poster child is showing us, it doesn't mean everything to have lots jabbed

A total of 18 people died from Covid in Singapore on Wednesday, a grim new record for the tiny nation of just 5.6 million.

That same day, 3862 new cases were recorded, followed by 2937 on Thursday.

Extending their hardened rules previously raised again.

Yep, just what I posted. SIN is about our population. But here, we can't change rules to manage the changing situ. We could I guess be like our neighbours and open up while we have rising cases? Doesn't matter though as NZ seems to be a blame country.

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#2800126 23-Oct-2021 18:08

GV27:

tdgeek:

Auckland reaches 90% first dose, in 3 weeks (plus a few hanging on for the magical extended dose periods) it will be closing in

Some parts of Auckland.

All 3 DHBs need to reach 90%. CMDHB still a way off, I think? We were 16,000 away on 1sts about three days ago and not even hitting 3K a day across the whole region.

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#2800127 23-Oct-2021 18:09

GV27:

Sounds like we've had substantial uptick in 1sts:

https://twitter.com/RCarlyleAuthor/status/1451736460982292480

While this is good, they now have to be from the right parts of Auckland in order to hit the mark - we can't just be 95-95-80.

True, but from what Ive read its not 90/90/90 it can be less. Could be 91/93/86 and we accept that

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#2800128 23-Oct-2021 18:11

mattwnz:

I heard the NTZB hosts today saying that about 5% of people who get the first vaccination may not get the second. If that is the case, then we need to get 95% . SOme other countries have managed to get nearly 100% of eligible people done, so I am not sure how they have managed to do that without some form of stick or carrot.

No sticks or carrots. Getting vaccinated does just that.

1. Health

2. Death

3. Nightclubs

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#2800129 23-Oct-2021 18:15

Oblivian: There is now a 'to 90%' table the graphical sites are latching to

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data

Not flash reading even for cdhb

Not flash.

So get vaccinated

Ultimately when 90% is not achieved everywhere, they will call time on 90% and 87% is fine. Those that chose not, chose not to.

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#2800132 23-Oct-2021 18:29

I take exception from this

'The wake-up call the South Island needed'

What wake up call? We are waiting for the inevitable. And wearing masks etc etc when were is no need but that's fine. Its required. Now the SI are being seen as cruisey?

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#2800133 23-Oct-2021 18:34

tdgeek:
mattwnz:

I heard the NTZB hosts today saying that about 5% of people who get the first vaccination may not get the second. If that is the case, then we need to get 95% . SOme other countries have managed to get nearly 100% of eligible people done, so I am not sure how they have managed to do that without some form of stick or carrot.

No sticks or carrots. Getting vaccinated does just that.

1. Health

2. Death

3. Nightclubs

this looks like a list of The top 3 things that antivaxxers don't care about?

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#2800134 23-Oct-2021 18:38

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-sydney-doctors-warning-to-new-zealand/X5RI6CVG3B42ENQDUCZO6P34UE/

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#2800135 23-Oct-2021 18:44

Batman: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-sydney-doctors-warning-to-new-zealand/X5RI6CVG3B42ENQDUCZO6P34UE/

NZ experts have been warning the same sort of thing. Unfortunately they haven't been listened or broadcast as much during this outbreak by the media. When it is widespread, I do wonder how cases are going to be controlled, without much of NZ remaining in the 'red' for a long period on and off , or another set of restrictions being brought in. I just hope a better vaccine comes along that stops transmission.

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#2800136 23-Oct-2021 18:49

Batman:

this looks like a list of The top 3 things that antivaxxers don't care about?

Yep

I have good mate. Jabbed once (for himself he tells me)

His son who is also an anti vaxxer worked in hospo, resigned as his hotel was to be MIQ , no way am I working there, (so what I should say as you sauy its like the flu)

A common mate is a Police Officer in Melbourne. Has returned to NZ. My mate says if he was a cop in Melbourne fark that. yet he is an anti vaxxer where the old and fat people get jabbed and stay home. Needless to say this mateship is on a lifeline.

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