2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2804356 30-Oct-2021 15:48

Batman:

to be fair (no i haven't read or watched what they are protesting about), why are they keeping Auckland in lockdown when it is spreading elsewhere. you hope for the sake of Akl that if it really does spread widely everywhere they would no longer lockdown Akl.

either that or bring the vaccine to the Counties ... 9900 left to go https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-auckland-now-less-than-10000-jabs-from-90pc-milestone/QG3G62IMISMGSFSJJG6GOBGAHA/

High numbers of unlinked cases and unvaccinated people... would be my guess. 7% no first dose in Auckland is a hell of a lot more dangerous than 10 or 15% no first dose in Canterbury.

Tamaki was absent but his wife got up and ran her mouth. Her turn to get the book thrown at her now.

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#2804365 30-Oct-2021 15:49

They're losing control. It's becoming more obvious each passing day.

At this rate, ere much longer people will be doing what they want whilst the government jumps up and down screaming "we forbid it!".

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#2804369 30-Oct-2021 16:14

GV27:
sbiddle:

It's a shame the MoH have even come out today and said they're still reviewing the data and that we'll know within "a few months" what they're planning on doing. We should have started our booster program already.

I was staggered to see that tweet. When did Group 4 start getting their firsts? Are we heading into a perfect storm of waning vulnerable immunity, a re-opening city with pent-up backlogs of socialising heading into Xmas? Because yikes.

Boosters aren’t approved for the general population by the FDA. They are approved for high risk groups. It’s quite reasonable to expect Medsafe to follow the FDA lead, as they likely will with 5-11 year olds.

In NZ boosters are available now to the immunocompromised.

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#2804386 30-Oct-2021 16:23

Handle9:

Boosters aren’t approved for the general population by the FDA. They are approved for high risk groups. It’s quite reasonable to expect Medsafe to follow the FDA lead, as they likely will with 5-11 year olds.

In NZ boosters are available now to the immunocompromised.

Wasn't that the whole point of Group 4 getting them first?

At this rate I'm going to have to get another three or four jabs to help Auckland get over the line.

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#2804447 30-Oct-2021 16:50

Handle9:
GV27:

sbiddle:

It's a shame the MoH have even come out today and said they're still reviewing the data and that we'll know within "a few months" what they're planning on doing. We should have started our booster program already.

I was staggered to see that tweet. When did Group 4 start getting their firsts? Are we heading into a perfect storm of waning vulnerable immunity, a re-opening city with pent-up backlogs of socialising heading into Xmas? Because yikes.

Boosters aren’t approved for the general population by the FDA. They are approved for high risk groups. It’s quite reasonable to expect Medsafe to follow the FDA lead, as they likely will with 5-11 year olds.

In NZ boosters are available now to the immunocompromised.

But the US booster rollout has become a general rollout. I know a couple of people who have had them because anybody aged 18-65 who basically feels like they need one seemingly isn't being denied.

The fact we're not rolling them out puts us behind Australia who are now rolling them out to everybody as of this week - but having said that they have at least ordered them and have plenty of supplies coming from January for their booster program. We don't.

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#2804457 30-Oct-2021 17:09

We have 1.2M doses in stock at present so no shortage there yet.

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#2804464 30-Oct-2021 17:25

sbiddle:
But the US booster rollout has become a general rollout. I know a couple of people who have had them because anybody aged 18-65 who basically feels like they need one seemingly isn't being denied.

The fact we're not rolling them out puts us behind Australia who are now rolling them out to everybody as of this week - but having said that they have at least ordered them and have plenty of supplies coming from January for their booster program. We don't.

So it’s not actually a general roll out, it’s just you painting it that way as it suits your narrative.

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#2804466 30-Oct-2021 17:27

GV27:

Handle9:

Boosters aren’t approved for the general population by the FDA. They are approved for high risk groups. It’s quite reasonable to expect Medsafe to follow the FDA lead, as they likely will with 5-11 year olds.

In NZ boosters are available now to the immunocompromised.

Wasn't that the whole point of Group 4 getting them first?

At this rate I'm going to have to get another three or four jabs to help Auckland get over the line.

GV27, you have your Groups mixed up. Group 4 is the general populace not included in Groups 1 to 3. Group 1 started back in late Feb. I am Group 2 and my second dose was mid April so over the 6 months now.

Handle 9, yes the FDA approval is for the high risk groups but I would read that as the priority rather than not approved for the general population. If you look at the US policy it's pretty broad and it's about eligibility :

Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna

You are eligible for a booster if you are:

65 years or older
Age 18+ who live in long-term care settings
Age 18+ who have underlying medical conditions
Age 18+ who work or live in high-risk settings

When to get a booster:
At least 6 months after your second shot

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#2804470 30-Oct-2021 17:33

@MileHighKiwi: I'm fine with jabbing myself, I am 41 with some health problems and in group 3 I think I have a good chance of getting quite sick from C19. But my kids are very healthy and I'm not sure what benefit it has. The benefits of the vaccine increase with age.

Vaccinated kids will be a lesser vector for transmission. Vaccinated adults can still be affected by covid in some cases. In terms of interacting as safely as possible with older relatives my kid will be vaccinated for sure. That does not provide 100% safety for the older people but it's many times better than nothing.

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#2804471 30-Oct-2021 17:35

cshwone:
Handle 9, yes the FDA approval is for the high risk groups but I would read that as the priority rather than not approved for the general population. If you look at the US policy it's pretty broad and it's about eligibility :

The regulators don’t set priority- they judge whether the benefits of the vaccination outweigh the risks.

Carping about boosters when they don’t have approval from the regulators and extra stocks are somewhat available when they are approved is kind of dumb. I’m quite confident that the same
people would then complain if vaccines expired as they couldn’t be used.

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#2804473 30-Oct-2021 17:45

Handle9:

Carping about boosters when they don’t have approval from the regulators and extra stocks are somewhat available when they are approved is kind of dumb. I’m quite confident that the same
people would then complain if vaccines expired as they couldn’t be used.

You don't have to wait for them to be approved by regulators to order them, just to use them, and they really aren't that expensive compared to a lockdown or having to wait around because we didn't get onto it. It's like what, $15 a jab?

Having said that a one-off booster is probably going to be less of an issue with supply and you won't have to mess with spacing them out like we did going from three to six weeks for the second jab to make sure we had enough to go around.

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#2804475 30-Oct-2021 17:47

Geektastic: They're losing control. It's becoming more obvious each passing day.

At this rate, ere much longer people will be doing what they want whilst the government jumps up and down screaming "we forbid it!".

Agreed. They're losing hearts and minds of folks in Auckland (and there isn't any magic pills to stop this, the cards have been played and we have to bear with the hand we now have). The weak response of the police only empowers the protesters to up the ante.

This time, they were mobile and larger numbers. My prediction is that they will escalate and it will probably involve either SH1 or one of the border checkpoints. Its going to put the police in a very interesting position, stopping 100 odd antivaxers from Rotorua is one thing... having 5000 folks attempting to do a similar act may have very different outcomes.

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#2804477 30-Oct-2021 17:57

Geektastic: They're losing control. It's becoming more obvious each passing day.

.....Agreed. They're losing hearts and minds of folks in Auckland

Being in Auckland,I'm starting to lose my mind with this unending lockdown.

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#2804480 30-Oct-2021 18:07

sbiddle:

But the US booster rollout has become a general rollout. I know a couple of people who have had them because anybody aged 18-65 who basically feels like they need one seemingly isn't being denied.

The fact we're not rolling them out puts us behind Australia who are now rolling them out to everybody as of this week - but having said that they have at least ordered them and have plenty of supplies coming from January for their booster program. We don't.

the data show extreme effectiveness of boosters, i wonder if the reluctance to officially roll out 300M doses of boosters is to allow the unvaccinated of the world to get their first and second doses.

it's very sensitive.

other countries have followed suit and granted provisional authorization for boosters for the vulnerable and i know of some immediately proceeding to "roll out" to outbreak areas.

re: Australia - "Booster doses are available to everyone 18 years and over who have had both doses of their primary course of a COVID-19 vaccine at least 6 months ago. " https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/getting-your-vaccination/booster-doses

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#2804482 30-Oct-2021 18:32

cshwone:

GV27, you have your Groups mixed up. Group 4 is the general populace not included in Groups 1 to 3. Group 1 started back in late Feb. I am Group 2 and my second dose was mid April so over the 6 months now.

Sorry I'm confusing my descending vax groups with my ascending and yet at the same time descending alert levels.

This outbreak is one more rushed press conference alert system update away from becoming an Algebra exam, I swear to God.

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